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Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:29:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:

  
  
  
   Guys like Shrub would nuke people in the U.S. if such a preemptive strike where necessary to maintain political power -- and I don’t really mean Shrub, I mean the guys standing all around him and even more particularly the ones standing in the shadows (the ones whose names are barely known and only whispered even when they are known).

   Well, I happen to see humanity as bigger than that.

Humanity, yes. Most people are good and kind and honest and want only to live their lives unmolested, living by the golden rule or by the wiccan rule or by libertarian principles (even if they can’t articulate any of them clearly, that’s still what they want, precisely *because* they are good and kind and honest).

Yes. most of humanity IS bigger than that, bigger than those in the shadows.

But not our leaders... power corrupts and as the power of the federal government has grown and grown and grown, unchecked, it has attracted some sorts of people that don’t fit that description, people who aren’t nice and good and kind and honest.

People who think they’re helping by taking away from the productive and giving to the non productive, People who, misguidedly, want to impose their morality on others. People who seek power for its own sake. And worst of all, people who seek aggrandizement and who want to make easy money and who know how to use the first few sorts for those purposes.

   You can’t debate with someone who can’t or doesn’t want to understand

(snipped a word there for dramatic effect)

Precisely, David. We’ve tried and tried to explain it, to no avail, and you can’t or don’t want to understand.

   Therefore I’m done.

No you’re not. You’ll be back. We all will, it’s our secret vice.

   Dave K



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  Secret Vices (was Re: Swift was Right!)
 
(...) In an attempt to take this thread about Koreans eating their own kind into an even weirder direction, I present y'all with some of my secret vices and guilty pleasures: 00. Anything choreographed by Bob Fosse -- The Aloof! 01. Almost anything (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
(...) I think I will agree with Lar+ here. -but, I don't think we (Dave and myself) are going to convert any of you...you percive a need to have a security blanket, that we feel is unneeded, and unwarrented. As long as we are free to talk about it, (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Sorry Larry, I 'm calling you on this one. All points thrown at me, acknowledged and refuted, as far as I can see, and went beyond. And yet the points I made were ignored, dismissed (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
(...) And yet I'm the one attributed to the guy with the beard with the sign 'the end is near'. I'm not the one that has to get over myself. I'm not the one who doesn't understand society at large. Narrow minded people who justify their irrational (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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