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Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:21:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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Guys like Shrub would nuke people in the U.S. if such a preemptive strike
where necessary to maintain political power -- and I don’t really mean
Shrub, I mean the guys standing all around him and even more particularly
the ones standing in the shadows (the ones whose names are barely known and
only whispered even when they are known).
-- Hop-Frog
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There it is. Koresh wannabe. We’re done.
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“Koresh wannabe” ??? Oh, get over yourself.
Koresh was innocent of anything except bad judgement in thinking that he and
his followers could peaceably coexist in the local community, and bad
judgement in thinking that because he had good relations with the local law
enforcement and because he minded his own business, that was enough to
protect him from the greater evil afoot in the nation.
He was guilty, however, of underestimating the evil of the BATF and of the
Attorney General of the time. (1) THEY went in, guns blazing, with a secret
warrant that didn’t actually specify anything, and then maneuvered to
massacre the innocents after demonstrating there was no way that the
Davidians were going to get a fair trial.
When you throw around terms like “Koresh wannabe”, you demonstrate that you
lack a grasp of how bad things actually are down here. Successive
administrations have run amuck to greater and greater extents, aided and
abetted by people like you who mean well, but apparently don’t think for
themselves very well, and don’t understand that freedom isn’t free.
I don’t normally speak up in defense of Marchetti, but from what I’ve seen in
this long (2) thread he gets the point of what the US is supposed to be
about, gets the point of what Jefferson and the other fathers were on about,
and gets the point of the Bill of Rights... and you don’t. Worse, you
disparage it all as meaningless, oldfashioned, no longer relevant, and
illogical. What a shame.
I may think Richard’s specific arguments about Halliburton et al are not
where the big problems in the country lie, and I may even laugh at some of
his specific conspiracy theories, but he’s more of a patriot(3) and more of a
freedom lover than you are.
By far.
1 - to think I used to think Reno was the worst AG ever, and it couldn’t get
worse. I was half right... She was, at the time. I was also half wrong...
Ashcroft is worse, far worse.
2 - and rehashed... everything I’ve seen here so far has been said before,
over and over, in the past...
3 - neglecting that you don’t live in the US... but I would argue that you
are less of a Canadian patriot than you think.
++Lar
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And yet I’m the one attributed to the guy with the beard with the sign ‘the end
is near’.
I’m not the one that has to get over myself. I’m not the one who doesn’t
understand society at large. Narrow minded people who justify their irrational
fears are the ones we have to be concerned about. They’re the ones who ‘take
matters into their own hands’ at the least provocation. And yet, they’re also
the ones that want guns.
You can’t point out the fallacy of their arguements because they don’t want to
understand. They’ve built their little delusional world with paranoid rhetoric
and, as such, justify their own actions:
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Guys like Shrub would nuke people in the U.S. if such a preemptive strike
where necessary to maintain political power -- and I don’t really mean
Shrub, I mean the guys standing all around him and even more particularly
the ones standing in the shadows (the ones whose names are barely known and
only whispered even when they are known).
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Well, I happen to see humanity as bigger than that. Whereas some look with fear
and paranoia, I look with clearer and better eyes than that.
You can’t debate with someone who can’t or doesn’t want to understand that.
Therefore I’m done.
Dave K
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