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Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:36:37 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Again with the “Jeffersonian” speak. I would point out that Jefferson livd
200+ years ago and some of the ideas from that time may not be valid today.
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You know, appealing to ideas in a Jeffersonian mold is an appeal to authority,
and as perhaps “THEE” central philosophical figure of the foundations of my
country, I consider Jefferson an authority whose wisdom is not easily overcome
-- and here you are dismissing him as if he were a crackpot and anachronism.
Sorry, you will have to do more than that to overcome a political philospher
whose words are in some ways more sacred to me than any of my own peculiar
religious views. You will have to prove to me that the people have the means to
*ALL WAYS* overthrow a government by exclusively peaceful means. It is my
assertion that you cannot prove that point (history is just too full of examples
of the exact opposite of your point), hence I will be keeping my guns, thank you
very much.
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“Revolution fought without espressley leathal arms”? Well, in tin-pot
dictator type countries, sure, arm the citizens and have your revolution.
But we’re not talking about some backward country where the military is
corrupt (and usually has approximately the same armament as the citizens).
We’re talking about us here.
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Is that a joke? What makes you think that the U.S. military is not corrupt?
I’m always here discussing the back office deals in D.C. and they absolutely
include the military -- how could it be otherwise? The people in power have a
better grasp of where their final power resides and aren’t about to give up on a
standing army, national guard, FBI, CIA, etc. that will do their bidding for
them.
Dude, without offense -- you are high if you think the military is not corrupt!
Ever heard of overspending on those technological wonders called “screws”?
Recent history is full of stuff like this, and that’s just the corruption we
actually find out about concerning our beloved “military industrial complex.” I
am convinced there is so much more to uncover because the money all has to go
somewhere, doesn’t it now?
I know it’s not going into a national healthcare scheme or the future of social
security...
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And in the in the 21st century, there are those countries that have risen to
the point where guns in the hands of the citizen is becoming irrelevant and
not needed.
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How so? Can you cite an example of such a country that is not based strictly on
your own unique opinion but that is actually supported by relevant facts? Over
here -- we, the product of The Enlightenment -- have just fought a war because
of a very deeply corrupt president. So what the hell are you talking about?
Guys like Shrub would nuke people in the U.S. if such a preemptive strike where
necessary to maintain political power -- and I don’t really mean Shrub, I mean
the guys standing all around him and even more particularly the ones standing in
the shadows (the ones whose names are barely known and only whispered even when
they are known).
-- Hop-Frog
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