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Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
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Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:34:24 GMT
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   Do you honestly beleive that a criminal is using a registered gun in the first place? By the way, just a little history for you: Registered gun oweners were the first group of Jews rounded up by the Nazis. By the time they realized what was happening and could have fought back, most of the gun owners were already in concentration camps.


No, by definition a criminal is exactly that. However, see the hammer argument, and the fact that the majority of murders are committed by people who KNOW each other. And Alcohol is often a factor...it’s harder to kill someone with a set of chopsticks than with a gun - and you have to physically get dirty to do it.

And what, praytell did the Jews do without guns? Oh, just little things- those who had the courage like the Stolzenkomando (? not sure of spelling) who blew up their crematorium. I don’t think any of them had guns...at least not “legal” ones. The first decision was to resist, and that is where those gun owners did not do so. It was left to much later in the war before the realization of what was ongoing became apparent. But they still had to wait for a army to liberate them- if they had had a different prospective, perhaps things would have been different, but it was really the first time industrial genocide had been committed.

   The greatest threat to freedom is not from the occasional random crazy individual (which one is never going to stop anyway) as you seem to think, but from those that make and enforce the so called “laws.” I don’t trust a police officer to have a gun anymore than I trust your average person off the street. If I have one too, then at least we are on equal terms. As far as an F-16 dropping a cluster bomb on my house, well if several million people didn’t start shooting politicians for that, I would be very surprised. That’s why they won’t do that.

I’m glad to see you have a unhealthy dose of paranoia. If you don’t like the “so called laws” of society, then move out. Go live in some nice place like Chechnia with your gun collection, and let us know how long you live. I doubt it will be very long on your own, because those “so called laws” are what is protecting you here.

James



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  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
(...) Did you even read my post? The gun owners were the first group of Jews rounded up for precisely that reason. (...) Words on paper (laws) protect me less than the police do. Police do not stop crime over 99 percent of the time. They simply (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
(...) Gee, condescend much? I have no problem if you want to stick your head out and place it neatly on the chopping block of history, just don't ask me to do the same thing. That's really the crux of the problem: you have your opinion and I have my (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
 
(...) Do you honestly beleive that a criminal is using a registered gun in the first place? By the way, just a little history for you: Registered gun oweners were the first group of Jews rounded up by the Nazis. By the time they realized what was (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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