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Subject:	Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:06:44 GMT
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Whats wrong with you? You seem to understand that the church does steal from those who belong to it (by choice, even), and you object about that. But you don't understand that governments do the exact same thing (some times in conjunction with one church or another) and have no objection to that whatsoever? In fact you support that theft, but get upset about it when a church does it. Any church or government uses the same ethic (give us your money which we can use to help those who (supposedly) need it better than you can) to steal your money. Why do you object to one and not the other? I am sure most of the people you are currently arguing with would totally agree with your following paragrpah, while those who have supported you thus far, will be arguing with you now... > No. Theft is at the core of Christian beliefs. For starters the prohibition > of ursury (that is, allowing market forces to set interest rates), the > various requirements to be your brothers keeper (the church sanctions the > theft of your property to support your brother). And don't start me on > tithing, especially as traditionally done by the church when it is very > much extortion. That's just some easy ones off the top of my head. Now, tell me the difference between tithing and taxing. And, now, doesn't the government regulate interest rates? It does in my country. Isn't being taxed to take care of your society the same as being your brothers' keeper? And, from another post of yours, name a country which at one time or another hasn't disallowed genocide, in some form? Maybe your arguments make sense, but not to me. -- Have fun! John AUCTION Page (More soon!) http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/2-many-toys/ TRADE Page http://www114.pair.com/ig88/lego/index.htm MOC,CA++++(6035)SW,TR,old(456)+++TO++PI,SP+DU--#+++++ ig88888888@stlnet.com & IG88888888 on AOL

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		Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
(...) How can you call a gift stealing? (...) They are different. Churches collect money voluntarily to assist those in need. The gov collects money whether you like it or not. If I don't contribute to the offering plate, so what? If I don't (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
John DiRienzo <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote (...) There is no difference in princliple, provided that membership is voluntary. This situation has only recently arisen for both countries and churches. However, the difference is that taxation can (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color)
(...) Ok (...) Hey, I thought logic was only meaning_ful_ without feeling. That whole Spock thing, y'know? -- logic with feeling ain't really logic. (...) Hmmm. Well, this is one place where I kind of get confused. See, I believe that God didn't (...) (25 years ago, 31-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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