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| | | (...) What does diplomacy accomplish? I mean *really*? Please cite examples of diplomacy working *anywhere* in the world, but not, of course, "diplomacy" conducted in surrender agreements. The fact is that "diplomacy" is merely a synonym for (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —David Koudys
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| | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Yeah! Nuke 'em 'til the glow, then shoot 'em in the dark, and let God sort 'em out!! Rah Rah!! Go Team! Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Are you honestly trying to say that diplomacy is universally and always unsuccessful in all cases everywhere on the planet? That nothing has ever been accomplished by diplomacy? You may wish to modify your statement or at least limit its (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Okay, I was thinking in terms of *major* global conflicts, such as war. More specifically, I'm looking for examples of diplomacy effectively dealing with an aggressor (nation or entity). JOHN (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | (...) Also, the Morrocan "affairs", in 1904 and 1907, between Germany and France. Things were *hot* back then (for the time standards, that is). Pedro (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Huh?? Defused through us blockading Cuba and threatening to go to war if the missiles weren't removed, then refusing to blink. That would be more like it, I would say. Diplomacy was only the communication channel, not the defuser. Oh, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) But we did blink, if not quite as hard and fast. That's the whole point. Both sides had escalated the confrontation to the point that neither saw a way out, but continuing it was too horrifying for words. Only through diplomacy was the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Big stick diplomacy is not the same as "diplomacy". Without strength, diplomacy is impotent, as Larry pointed out. One cannot negotiate from a position of weakness. That is why having a strong America is so good for the world-- because of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water.... —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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