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Subject:	TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:36:33 GMT
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: > > How do you feel about TJ speaking about a Creator in the DoI? > How do you feel about having a very limited understanding of TJ's beliefs? > This has been asked and answered before, John. No, Richard, it hasn't. I am not arguing that TJ was a Christian or any such thing. What I am saying is that he acknowledged a Creator-- Prime Mover, God, Nature's God-- whatever you want to call it. And it is from this entity that our inalienable rights originate. I want the atheists to deal with that. Once again for those who are prone to reading into things that which isn't there-- this has nothing to do with Christianity, so kindly stop obfuscating by interjecting it <text snipped>. -John

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		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) My Creator [sic] is a one-word summation of the process of evolution and, more directly, of human biological reproduction. I can point you to various links explaining how my mother and father conceived me, but I expect from your previous (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
John: You are looking at past history and past rhetoric with blinders on. Part of The Enlightenment project was to break with the "divine right of kings." That's why there is language of that type floating around. I am not saying that there weren't (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) The value of the dollar was once based on the value of gold. It is now based on absolutely nothing but the will of the people to keep it going. Similarly, our "inalienable rights" were originally based on the commonly-held mythology of a God (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) How do you feel about having a very limited understanding of TJ's beliefs? This has been asked and answered before, John. It's pretty tiresome of you to bring it up again. TJ could have said "prime mover" -- it's just a whole lot less zippy (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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