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Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:59:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:

How do you feel about having a very limited understanding of TJ's beliefs?

This has been asked and answered before, John.

No, Richard, it hasn't.  I am not arguing that TJ was a Christian or any such
thing.  What I am saying is that he acknowledged a Creator-- Prime Mover, God,
Nature's God-- whatever you want to call it.  And it is from this entity that
our inalienable rights originate.  I want the atheists to deal with that.

  *My* Creator [sic] is a one-word summation of the process of evolution
and, more directly, of human biological reproduction.  I can point you to
various links explaining how my mother and father conceived me, but I expect
from your previous postings that you'd find them obscene and would call for
their removal.
  Having said all that, and since you still haven't in any way demonstrated
that "under God" is a non-religious statement, nor have you demonstrated
where in the US Constitution there is any mention of "God," I would remind
you yet again that the Declaration of Independence is NOT a document of
United States law and is thus irrelevant to the issue of Constitutional
church/state separation.

Once again for those who are prone to reading into things that which isn't
there-- this has nothing to do with Christianity, so kindly stop obfuscating
by interjecting it <text snipped>.

  The initial issue of "under God" is expressly Christian, so stop trying to
steer the dicussion away from the elephant in the room.

    Dave!



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  Re: TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
 
(...) That is your interpretation. That's good. Now we both can live with it. (...) How would you know-- you weren't there yet;-) (...) Neither is the pledge. Neither is our currency. (...) It may be *implicitly* Christian, but the actual wording (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  TJ acknowledged a Creator in DoI (was: Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
 
(...) No, Richard, it hasn't. I am not arguing that TJ was a Christian or any such thing. What I am saying is that he acknowledged a Creator-- Prime Mover, God, Nature's God-- whatever you want to call it. And it is from this entity that our (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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