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The nature of the JC god, good or evil? (Was Re: POV-RAY orange color (0)
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Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:43:17 GMT
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John Neal wrote:
> The Bible isn't a proof text. It's a collection of many different
> traditions, most of them oral. Don't be so "Western Culture, how did it
> happen, is it true, what are the facts".
Why not? The scientific method works. Look at the marvels and wonders
it's produced. What lasting contribution to human progress have those
oral traditions given us? (1)
> It's because he was more
> than just a man, and that his message was so profound.
In what way was he more than a man? (beware of circular arguments) in
what way was his message profound?
Don't you find it a bit ridiculous? "I am more than a mere man. How so?
In ways that you cannot understand. And the fact that you can't
understand them proves my godhead. I understand them but I can't explain
them to you because I would have to use concepts which you cannot grasp.
So there."
> > > IMO Job is one of the most interesting and honest books in the Bible.
> >
> > Right, because it shows the true nature of your god.
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> No, Jesus revealed the true nature of God, because only Jesus knew it.
If only Jesus can know it, how can he reveal it to others? Doesn't that
smack you of trying to tell a blind person what sight is like? What's
the point?
> Job reflects a frustration at the enigma of God.
No, Job reflects the ultimate cruelty and perverseness of the Old
Testament god. I note that most bibilical scholars agree that god seems
to have changed between testaments. Does he love us more now than he did
before? Are we or are we not to repudiate the OT?
The OT god is not enigmatic, merely capricious, malicious, and self
aggrandizing. I know those traits (especially the last one, as I have it
myself) when I see them. Not a worthy deity for primitives to worship,
much less supposedly educated folk like yourself. I'll take my chances
with Satan if those are my only choices. At least he's just a thug.
So get over this god of yours already.
1 - other than this JudeoChristian religion, which;
A) I don't see as progress, and
B) is a circular argument if you make it, so don't bother.
0 - how's THAT for a subject change?
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