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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> First explain to me the pagan rites to which you are referring, because I
> really don't know what you're talking about.
[note: I have no idea what the "Christian Churches of God" are or what they
may or may not believe in addition to the stuff referenced below (it
wouldn't surprise me to discover they were a white supremacist christian
identity movement, many fundamentalist movements are), but I'm lazy...so
here are the URLs]
At a glance this looks like a good source for what I am talking about in
terms of pagan rites: http://logon.org/english/s/p235.html
As for the Law v Grace, see: http://www.ccg.org/english/S/p082.html
My beef with people living "under grace" is that they act as if the god of
the old testament is a bogeyman (almost a mythological figure -- no argument
there), and that the Jesus is the true God (big argument). But why should
the christian god be mutable? That's way too convenient and neatly does
away with the whole of the old testament. Frankly, it's an admission that
your faith is going to be whatever you say it is rather than what God or
Jesus supposedly said it should be. Very slippery, very schizophrenic.
My reading of the bible is that you are under the laws of Moses because
that's the law -- period. You are also saved by grace because man is seen
as incapable of perfection (lucky you). Maybe these strict interpretations
of biblical texts are too harsh, but then again I am not sure it's supposed
to be easy. And anyway, I am not an Xtian -- but if I were, I'd at least be
serious about it and not just a Sunday morning, wishy-washy, "under grace"
Xtian.
from the Book of Mark:
7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you
hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but
their heart is far from me.
7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the
commandments of men.
7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,
as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that
ye may keep your own tradition.
7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth
father or mother, let him die the death:
7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban,
that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he
shall be free.
7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye
have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
If the above is supposed to be Jesus repudiating Mosaic law, I must be
reading it all wrong. You sure about this "under grace" thing, John? I
think your party line to God must be a bad connection.
As I stated elsewhere: I don't think you know what you believe or why you
believe it. I am still waiting to see proof to the contrary. And as usual,
your degree of convenient ignorance is staggering (half questions?
puh-leaze!). How can you believe so much knowing so little? Or is that the
point? Ignorance is bliss, eh John?
If you aren't more careful in the future you and the Adversary might end up
sharing digs.
-- Hop-Frog
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