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Subject:	Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 3 Jul 2002 19:17:51 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: > I define "greatest" by how a country treats its citizens. The people of the US > of A are the freest people in the world, and *that* is what makes us the > greatest. The fact that we are the greatest economic, military, and cultural > presence on earth is only a testament to that fact, not reasons for it. The usual madness, John? We are amongst the most incarcerated people of any nation, and this is by percentage, not just numbers. Why do you suppose that is? One reason, and there are many others, is that we'd rather treat our drug addicts through incarceration rather than giving them the medical and psychological care they need. Another reason would be that we incarcerate people for a number of pretended crimes that have nothing to do with the traditional common law crimes of rape, murder, and theft -- and their variants. Should prostitution and gambling really be crimes in some areas? O the list of arguments goes on...but why bother? You'll just come back at me with 200 iterations of "Show me a better country?" If you are actually capable of reason, I would merely point out that several European nations have very high standards of living that either compete with our own in the states or actually manage to best our standard of living here. And while they are at it, they also manage to deal with the drug issue at least a little bit more effectively in my view. The first step in improving everything about our country is to not be smug about who or what we are today. There is A LOT of room for improvement as I see it. The U.S. is still a great idea on paper, less great by far in actual practice. -- Hop-Frog

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) The usual leftist bilge, Richard? (...) Because freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. Many people don't understand that. (...) Show me in our Constitution where: 1. that is anywhere near the government's responsibility, and 2. why I (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Fine. Just show me a better one. (...) And I say again-- pick a greater one. (...) How can one say that we are great because of our people, and OTOH we are a nation of immigrants (people from other countries). Our people are (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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