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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
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> > Kirby's conspiracy thing is actually small potatoes when you realize that it
> > doesn't take a conspiracy to ruin things. Still, I might call it a
> > conspiracy of ignorance, apathy, and comfortable living. And I have to
> > admit --it's contagious. I know I caught the bug some time ago. But, at
> > least I know I have become apathetic. Why I even respond to these debate
> > posts is a matter for speculation...
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> I don't think you and I are really in disagreement on fundamentals,
> save the "systemic failure" thing (which has its merits, true).
> My major issue was with the *intentionalist* reading, so I apologize
> if that didn't come through as the target. But I do know that I haven't
> spent nearly as much time looking at the expansion-of-powers issue in
> the last three months as I want to--only enough to know that I oppose
> most of it. But that's not the point I was trying to get at.
>
> best
>
> LFB
I think you've read me wrong.
I don't fear a "systemic failure" (I assume you mean the collapse of society?)
What I fear is the *enslavement* of our society. At many levels we are
already slaves. So long as we depend upon money/credit (as opposed to a
barter system or a currency whose physical form holds real worth) then we
must depend on the "system" to supply it to us. Most people must work *for*
someone just to eat. One by one our basic nescessities are falling into the
control of governments or corporations. I mean really,here in the Great
Lakes area, corporations are fighting over water!!
It is not a pattern that I see or have accepted, but rather a conditioning.
We are a very busy people. We are busy trying to make a living, pay the
bills, support our families, entertain ourselves... So long as we are busy
working, then we aren't thinking about why we are working.
A corporation does not provide us a job for our benefit, but for theirs.
I fully believe that it is the corporations that really run the nation. Not
because abundant evidence says so, but because I have yet to find *any*
evidence that this is not the case. I have found that what is not seen or
documented is sometimes more important that *is* seen.
As an example (because I don't think that last paragraph is worded well) the
theory of Dark Matter says that what we don't see in the universe ( all the
empty spaces) could possibly contain more mass than the entire visible universe.
I believe that the CFR (Council of Foreign Relations) is the *link*. That
organization has *way* too much money and influence. No matter how good
they make themselves out to be. Please, look it up, read about it. It is
just too much money and power sitting at one table.
I don't believe ststematic failure is the motivation, but simply power and
control. "They" don't have to *take* it, we are handing it to them on a
silver platter.
And that is the crux of my conspiracy theory.
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| (...) Actually, given the basis of the USA as constituted--its core principles--I'd argue that enslavement would, in fact, constitute the collapse of our society. (But I did read you in the "enslavement" sense, actually.) But it would require some (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I think I want some clarification here-- society forces its members to abide by its rules, written, spoken, inferred, whatever. It's the nature of a society. And as the society grows, it becomes harder to avoid. But isn't part of that reason (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I hope that my rail against the intentionalist part of his statements doesn't come across as a "hunky-dory" sense of complacency. If you look at the end of my other message, you'll see the point--there are problems, and they DO need to be (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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