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| | | I just came across this article, and thought that it would make good debate fodder. (It's sure to raise some hackles from some quarters.) It is by Bernard Wasserstein, Professor of History at the University of Glasgow, and President of the Jewish (...) (23 years ago, 25-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | I'm sure that Wasserstein is aware that some of the "hatred" may well be entirely rational - does anyone seriously deny that? I know that for some time (prior to the events of Sept 11) Bush Jr almost appeared to be nurturing Amera-scepticism (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) How did we cast our own die there? (I really want to know.) james (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I may be wrong, but I think the USA poured cold water on the meeting well before it even started as is was going to give its friends in the Middle East a hard time. So if the USA did not play ball because of the way Israel was being treated, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not happy with the bedfellow relationship that my government has with Israel, so, no, I'm not suprised by the associations made between the U.S. and Israel. However...absolutely hateful and unplacatable anti-Israel and anti- Semitic (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I have partly fallen in to the trap laid by Wasserstein. One can be: A Jew but not a Zionist. A Zionist but not a Jew. A Zionist Israeli but not an Jew etc etc The problem is people on both side choose to confuse the terms. Israeli are very (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) Granted, it would probably be in Israel's best interests to participate on the "world stage" but that doesn't mean that Middle Eastern countries have a free pass to throw around absolutely hateful rhetoric in the meantime. A congress on racism (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) The longer Israel plays the bad guy, the longer the people who "govern" places like Saudi-Arabia and Syria will have a distraction for their own people. I expect that if Israel were to all-of-a-sudden become a good boy, a few of the neighbours (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —James Simpson
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| | | | | | (...) What would it mean for Israel to play the good boy? Surely, they can't placate the demands of *all* neighboring states. Israel exists (though the how and why of it be may be questionable.) It's destruction is not an option; peace is only going (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Ignore the neighbours for now. Think about how the current troubles started 13 months ago. Think about all those lovely residential developments Israel is allowing on land which does not belong to them. Think about the innocents they are (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —Horst Lehner
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| | | | This article certainly has some reason on its side, yet I can't help but suspect its goal is to preserve US support for Zionism. We in Germany are pretty well aware of the fact that it is almost impossible to reason against the "less wise" portions (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Anti-Semitism and Anti-Americanism —James Simpson
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| | | | (...) I think that the author may have a bit of an under-siege mentality, but I found at least one of his points very important. There have been, as the author pointed out, a lot of condescending statments such as "You realize why they hate you, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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