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Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:54:28 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:

OK. You asserted "animals are amoral" with nothing to back it up.

I think that until we have clear evidence that animals understand morality, we
have to assume that they probably don't.  Even if an animal does lots of nice
things, I wouldn't call it moral unless it had the ability to decide to do
not-nice things as well.  And even then, I think I'd lean toward not calling
something moral until I had evidence that it understood the concept of morality
and could discuss morals.

To those who assert humans have "fundamental rights", I'd ask 3 questions:

You aren't asking me, since I dont' think that, but...

1. What are these fundamental rights;

The right to agree on rights?

2. When did humans get them; and

When they first organized sufficiently to construct a social pattern that we
now call rights.

3. How did humans get them?

Through thought and socialization.

Chris



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(...) How well do humans understand morality? I doubt animals would have the same idea of morality as humans, heck even different humans have different ideas... (...) Type "pit bull attack" into your favourite search engine. Do these animals know (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) OK. You asserted "animals are amoral" with nothing to back it up. Go type "dog hero" into your favourite search engine, look through the list of hits. Many acts can be explained by (the dog exhibiting) self preservation, but what causes a dog (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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