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Re: Is this sexism?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:31:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> Duane Hess wrote:
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> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > David Eaton wrote:
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> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > > > > I would consider it sexist. I have no problem with giving the time off, but >to be fair you'd have to give men the same time off.
> > > >
> > > > How do you feel about maternity leave? Sexist? Should the husband get the
> > > > same time off as the woman? Should they be paid? And yes, I do know some
> > > > companies DO allow men to get time off. But it's certainly a lot more >rare.
> > >
> > > Yes, yes, and no.
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> > > This should really be in a separate thread, but...
> > >
> > > Women usually CHOOSE to get pregnant.
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> > Generally, I would say that this is the case, but not always. I'll leave
> > that to another thread.
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> As I said in another post, though, whether they choose to GET pregnant isn't >quite relevant. Whether they choose to STAY pregnant is
> their choice.
Not touching that one... That's a whole other heat wave.
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> > > I don't think they should get PAID time off for a medical condition they >CHOSE to have.
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> > I don't necessarily agree with this, but I see your point. How about LASIK
> > or other elective surgeries? As far as I know most people (at least where I
> > work)are able to get time off for them as well.
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> Lasik isn't relevant, really. I had it done, and was watching TV that night >(I drove myself home, too, as I had one eye done one year,
> one done another, taking advantage of the IRS tax laws). I DID take a half >day off, however.
My point was that it's an *elective* surgery. Pregnancy is generally an
elective condition. Should people who choose to have an elective
health-related procedure done be entitled to paid time off?
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> > > I also don't think parents should get paid Flex Time while denying it to >adults without children.
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> > You say "Flex Time". Are you referring to flexible work hours, or time off
> > in compliance with family medical leave?
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> Both. There are companies out there that give Flex Time to people with kids, >but don't seem to want to give it to people WITHOUT kids.
I see Flex Time and maternity (or paternity) leave as two distinctly
different things. Flex Time where I work describes an alternate work
schedule (something other than 8-5). Maternity leave is completely different
(time off). However, I see your point and agree with it.
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> > > Again, they CHOSE to have kids, and
> > > rewarding them for it/punishing others for NOT having kids just isn't right.
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> > Again, I don't agree with you, but you do have a valid point.
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> It's always a choice to have kids, even if it means travelling to another >state to change the "medical condition".
Would you get paid time off for that? :-)
> My wife and I CHOSE to not have kids before we even got married.
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> --
> | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support
> | Netscape Communications Corp
> | A division of AOL Time Warner
> | iPlanet Support - http://www.iplanet.com/support/
> | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
-Duane
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| (...) Tell me about it ;-) (...) Sure - IF it's part of the base PTO that EVERYONE in the company gets, not some "extra" PTO that only some people get. -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications Corp | A division (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) As I said in another post, though, whether they choose to GET pregnant isn't quite relevant. Whether they choose to STAY pregnant is their choice. (...) Lasik isn't relevant, really. I had it done, and was watching TV that night (I drove (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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