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Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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Fri, 15 Jun 2001 19:34:42 GMT
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Dave Schuler wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > > You haven't seen a demonstration of how this is detrimental?!? Did you miss
> > > the reasons for the civil rights movement? Ensuing riots in reaction to
> > > racism? I pointed out earlier that you get that kind of thing from
> > > disenfranchisement of vast segments from society. You get it even now -
> > > make the forces against it weaker and you'll get it more. Idunno - I find
> > > that terribly detrimental.
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> > Oh, me too. I just don't see it as following from allowing (not requiring)
> > businesses (with no barriers to entry) to choose who to serve. Jim Crow laws
> > REQUIRED businesses to discriminate.
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> But it's not simply of matter of whether or not a restaurant will choose
> to serve "coloreds:" Businesses will be able to choose whether or not to
> hire people on basis of any bigoted notion they can think of.
> Further, because it can be quite persuasively argued that Libertarian
> privatization of schooling will quickly guarantee serfdom for the poor (many
> of whom are and will continue to be non-white-males) since their families
> will have been unable to afford to educate them at or even transport them to
> good schools, it can be concluded that these marginalized individuals will
> be likewise guaranteed not to get good jobs. I'm not arguing for
> quotas--I'm saying that, without the protection of Federal
> anti-discrimination laws, corporations will be free to hire along racist or
> gender-based lines. Further, since Libertarians here have argued that it's
> in the "best interests" of a company to hire the best candidate regardless
> of ethnicity, it must be pointed out that the cycle of poverty--bad
> schooling--low paying job--poverty--bad schooling--low paying job will
> continue, and no one has presented a viable Libertarian solution to the
> cycle. Therefore, if corporations can discriminate at will, nominally in
> the "best interests" of the company, then such discrimination will
> perpetuate poverty, bad schooling, and a future generation of people who
> aren't hired because of the company's "best interests."
This is ploughed ground, but I'll revisit it. First, I think there would
be a good amount of support for schools for the underpriviledged. In
fact, in a free market, companies ought to want to support schools for
all. Why? The more educated your populace is, the larger and more
productive your market. Heck, ultimately these reasons are probably the
ONLY reasons we have the public school system we have now. One thing
I've given some consideration to is that to some extent, much more so
than most other nations in the world, the socio-policitical economic
system we have in this country was influenced by free market forces -
that isn't 100% true because certainly the "founding fathers" shaped the
country to some extent to meet their needs, and at least early on, a
significant portion of the investment in the country was foreign, or at
least developed under a less free market.
--
Frank Filz
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| (...) That's not a bad assessment, but I think it applies more at the national level than at the level of any sub-national business or industry. Ploughed ground, to be sure, but to date the Libertopian argument hasn't been convincingly put forth. (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| <snip> (...) Nitpicking here - that's not true. The public school system and the requirement to attend it were formed in the late 19th century. The general public wanted kids out of the cheap working force, because they were depressing wages for (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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| (...) This is one of my problems with the Libertarian Party. All that sounded good on paper. I like it...in theory. Unfortunately, it's doubtful that it will happen in reality. Businesses are all too often focused on the *now*, the next quarter, (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) But it's not simply of matter of whether or not a restaurant will choose to serve "coloreds:" Businesses will be able to choose whether or not to hire people on basis of any bigoted notion they can think of. Further, because it can be quite (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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