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Mon, 31 May 1999 17:49:04 GMT
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On Sun, 16 May 1999 16:26:40 GMT, Mike Stanley uttered the following
profundities...
> Richard Dee <richard.dee@virgin.net> wrote:
> > But please demonstrate a *need* to own a gun, I still
> > don't understand why you would defend the *right* to a own a
> > gun without a reasonable *need*. Simply because a law says you can?
> > Is there no such thing as a silly law, or a ridiculous law?
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> Demonstrate a need to own anything other than plaid pants or frilly
> pink shirts. Demonstrate a need to own more than one pair of shoes.
Unable for those particular items. However, as stated elsewhere,
requested the information to lead to understanding and enlightenment.
It is possible to demonstrate need. You have shown an example. And I
am grateful no ill befell you when it appeared possible you were under
threat.
> It's none of your or anyone else's business why I own a gun, although
> I think I hinted pretty loudly at my reason in my first post on this
> silly topic. Protection.
But it is my right to speak up and suggest that it is, silly or not
as it may seem to some, and equally it is your right to decline.
Silly topic, maybe, but doesn't stop you from participating, though!. :)
> Who will protect me if some bad guy breaks into my home in the middle
> of the night? You? The police? No, I will. And Rachael will. You
> can quote all the stats you can dig up about people having their guns
> turned against them - I'd still rather take my chances with my own gun
> than without.
I'm not suggesting solutions for your particular needs or concerns, seeking
understanding as to why you(general) choose the method you do.
> As for the ridiculous concept that guns are bad because they kill too
> easily, not providing the person with a chance to stop midway and
> change his mind, it doesn't affect me. I can't imagine a time when I
> would draw my gun when facing anything other than potentially mortal
> danger to myself or my own.
But can you rule out the possibility that you might face a non-mortal
danger, that results in you drawing and using the gun? Non-mortal=
emotional trauma, where violence is not involved, for instance. (Not
addressing the issue, just the particular statement).
> If someone breaks into my home with the intention of taking what is
> mine or harming me or my family, he will more than likely be shot to
> death, as he deserves. If someone smashes my car on the road
> (happened twice now) he won't even get a rise out of me - my insurance
> company will take care of it.
To death? Someone's life is worth a yellow lego castle or a television?
Even an "eye for an eye, life for life" philosophy would suggest
that as being "over-kill" for something as trivial as theft. (Trivial
when compared to murder). The car, what if they deliberately rammed you?
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> > Or is gun ownership a really important right for some people?
> > Why?
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> If you have to ask you will either never understand or you don't care.
> I'd guess a little of both based on other things you've said.
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>
Possibly the former. That I don't care would be inaccurate. I
care about the consequences of irresponsibility relating to and
frequently demonstrated by ownership. Concerned that unstable
people get a hold of guns.I am concerned that
some owners of guns are too selfish to accept *any*
regulation or control or restriction of gun ownership. I am
concerned that not enough is done, anywhere, to address the
issues that result in people feeling the need to protect
themselves.
Other things I have said have been, granted, controversial.
And perhaps founded on ignorance of the issue as it pertains
to certain regions. That does not make them invalid, or
unworthy of discussion.
I live in a society where gun ownership is not prevalent, or
very relevant. I live in a society where gun-related violence
is, despite recent events, still extremely rare. I am exposed
to media from where it is an issue, and violence and accidents
would seem to be more common. I desire to *understand*, not
necessarily to sway or change opinion. Well, maybe to point
out that because something is a law, it is not necessarily
right or just, or that it might be in need of re-evaluation.
A relief that you claim to be a responsible gun owner. No
doubt instilled in you from your army service. Of less
relief is your unrestrained hostility and criticism on any
views and opinions, not necessarily restricted to this
thread.
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| (...) If I were a mindreader and could know what I was dealing with was a petty thief who wanted nothing more than my television or my toys, then MAYBE, just maybe I wouldn't shoot him to death. Given the fact that I would more than likely be (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) As much as anyone can. Can you rule out the possibility that you might freak out and decide to use your automobile as a deadly weapon? Since you can not rule that out any more than Mike can rule out the same WRT his handgun(s), I figure that (...) (25 years ago, 1-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Reply-To: cjc@newsguy.com Followup-To: (...) Demonstrate a need to own anything other than plaid pants or frilly pink shirts. Demonstrate a need to own more than one pair of shoes. It's none of your or anyone else's business why I own a gun, (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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