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Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Fri, 11 May 2001 21:50:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > George the Elder had no problem with tyrants so long as he felt he could do
> > business with them (they'd play along with "american" (George's) interests).
> > As to the rest, let's call a spade a spade: Iraq fought one war to grab oil,
> > then used the excuse of oil costs to try and grab an easier target's oil.
> > Sheer greed. Could George have done more to avoid the situation? Yup.
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> The Iran-Iraq War was started by Saddam because of the bad blood between him
> and Ayatollah, in addition to sheer greed for oil and land. Doesn't change
> the fact that we backed him, though. Doesn't change the fact that we helped
> perpetuate the war.
Didn't say otherwise, but it seems you are trying to slide the primary blame
onto America instead of where it firmly belongs. Believe me, I'm not a big
Bush backer.
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> > Shoulda learned from the 1956 Hungary uprising: don't give people the idea
> > that you are going to help if you can't back it up. That was outside of
> > what the rest of the Arab world gave it's approval to (free Kuwait, but
> > that's it).
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> But that's biased since the "Arab world" of the Gulf nations who "gave
> approval" are all puppets on the U.S. payroll.
Are you saying that "real" arabs wanted Saddam in control of Kuwait?
Without a doubt they were uncomfortable with a western power mucking about
directly in the middle east (and with good reason), but your dismissal of
the decision as meer puppetry is simplistic.
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> > Ummm, the air flows in behind the rocket. :-)
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> It's not as simple as just "air", it's the ozone layer, it's ionized
> particles, it's air flow currents that are disturbed. We still cannot verify
> what harm comes to the upper atmosphere during a launch and what effect it
> has on ultraviolet radiation poking through the atmosphere.
Can't say that I've heard it causes any appreciable damage (the number of
launches is miniscule).
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> > Everybody bullies someone sometime. Be aware of it and be on guard, but
> > don't think that anyone has a monopoly on it - people will see right through
> > that argument.
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> Well, it would be hard to argue that the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on it
> considering our firepower and our wealth and economic influence.
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> Dan
Tell that to Kuwait, Taiwan, Chechen, Bosnia.....
Bruce
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