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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Sun, 6 May 2001 16:46:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
> > >
> > > > Simple question: Why do you take the side of the oppressor? Divorce that
> > > > from the context too.
> > >
> > > Three part answer:
> > > - I'm not taking sides when I say one side is worse than the other... we are
> > > talking shades of black, after all, not black vs. white.
> > > - Oppressor is such a loaded word, really. You haven't demonstrated that
> > > either side in this instance is an "oppressor" to my satisfaction.
> > > "oppressor" requires an egregious preponderance of firepower against an
> > > essentially unarmed foe.
> >
> > Wrong:
> > http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=oppress*1+0
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> Thanks for the cite... I like my defnition better since I did say it was "to
> my satisfaction".
One of the purposes of a dictionary is to ensure that words have the same
meaning for all of us. Assuming our own meanings on words dilutes the power
of language... in my opinion.
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> However under yours: "to govern (people) in an unfair and cruel way and
> prevent them from having opportunities and freedom" I don't see that being
> the case with the Israeli governance.
Really?
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> > Have you shown us yet how the PLO are "far worse"? I think not.
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> Don't intend to try to convince you as you have never ever demonstrated the
> ability to think critically in debates here.
I am beginning to you lack any thinking on this particular subject, let
alone "critical thinking".
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> You've bought into your comfortable view which makes the whole mess the
> fault of the Israelis
Where did I say that?
> (and none of it the fault of the UK who originally set
> up the Palestinian state
Where did I say that?
> (now Jordan... remember Jordan??? THAT'S the
> Palestinian homeland according to your diplomats) and the Israeli state) and
> you are unlikely to admit it's the UK's fault or change your mind about
> ANYTHING no matter what I say.
My point was that torture etc perpetrated today by Israel can not be
justified by the actions of my country in the past. I have denied nothing else.
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> So why bother trying?
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> It's pointless, the whole matter, really. Both sides are bad, neither side
> wants peace, neither side sticks to agreements, both sides initiate force
> inappropriately, both sides can be perceived as terrorists depending on
> context. It's just that the PLO (and their far more violent "allies" like
> Hezbollah) are more blatant about it, they don't even pretend to acknowledge
> that the other side may have some merit in its claims.
So it is the PLO and "their Allies" now? I thought it was the PLO alone who
were "far worse"? See:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=10083
Are you squirming again Larry?
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> Which is blacker? A lump of coal deep inside a dark coal mine or a pool of
> crudeoil at the very bottom of a long and twisty pit at midnite on a
> moonless nite? What does it matter? Who cares? Not me.
Which was just my point when I said both were equally bad:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=10085
Just what is your point Larry? Are the PLO "far worse" or not? Are you
saying that Hezbollah and the PLO are linked... As far as I am aware this is
propaganda from the "other side"?
Scott A
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> ++Lar
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: Snip. (...) Both sides are bad. but... (...) the PLO are far worse. That's it. End of point. Saying this does not make me a Zionist. Sorry, Dan, but it just doesn't. Saying that Hitler was worse than (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) my satisfaction". However under yours: "to govern (people) in an unfair and cruel way and prevent them from having opportunities and freedom" I don't see that being the case with the Israeli governance. (...) Don't intend to try to convince (...) (25 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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