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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Sun, 6 May 2001 16:08:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
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> > > Simple question: Why do you take the side of the oppressor? Divorce that
> > > from the context too.
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> > Three part answer:
> > - I'm not taking sides when I say one side is worse than the other... we are
> > talking shades of black, after all, not black vs. white.
> > - Oppressor is such a loaded word, really. You haven't demonstrated that
> > either side in this instance is an "oppressor" to my satisfaction.
> > "oppressor" requires an egregious preponderance of firepower against an
> > essentially unarmed foe.
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> Wrong:
> http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=oppress*1+0
Thanks for the cite... I like my defnition better since I did say it was "to
my satisfaction".
However under yours: "to govern (people) in an unfair and cruel way and
prevent them from having opportunities and freedom" I don't see that being
the case with the Israeli governance.
> Have you shown us yet how the PLO are "far worse"? I think not.
Don't intend to try to convince you as you have never ever demonstrated the
ability to think critically in debates here.
You've bought into your comfortable view which makes the whole mess the
fault of the Israelis (and none of it the fault of the UK who originally set
up the Palestinian state (now Jordan... remember Jordan??? THAT'S the
Palestinian homeland according to your diplomats) and the Israeli state) and
you are unlikely to admit it's the UK's fault or change your mind about
ANYTHING no matter what I say.
So why bother trying?
It's pointless, the whole matter, really. Both sides are bad, neither side
wants peace, neither side sticks to agreements, both sides initiate force
inappropriately, both sides can be perceived as terrorists depending on
context. It's just that the PLO (and their far more violent "allies" like
Hezbollah) are more blatant about it, they don't even pretend to acknowledge
that the other side may have some merit in its claims.
Which is blacker? A lump of coal deep inside a dark coal mine or a pool of
crudeoil at the very bottom of a long and twisty pit at midnite on a
moonless nite? What does it matter? Who cares? Not me.
++Lar
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) Oh, forgot to toss this stick into the hornets nest... turns out that the *PLO*, under *your* definition is an oppressor. The PLO oppresses the very people that it is governing under the limited mandate given it by the Israelis... since its (...) (24 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: A question of remembrance...
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| (...) One of the purposes of a dictionary is to ensure that words have the same meaning for all of us. Assuming our own meanings on words dilutes the power of language... in my opinion. (...) Really? (...) I am beginning to you lack any thinking on (...) (24 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Spoken like a true Zionist, Larry. You are allowing yourself to be a puppet for a political group that has turned the same Nazi tactics, that previously oppressed the Jews, on the Palistinian population to get them to bow down. The same (...) (24 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Wrong: (URL)- That said, I don't ever *intend* to take the side of an oppressor. You (...) Others are. As I understand it, a report is about to be published which will lay much of the blame on Israel: Report condemns Israeli expansion (URL) (...) (24 years ago, 6-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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