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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Fri, 27 Apr 2001 07:25:36 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shiri Dori writes:
> Ooh, Selçuk - now you're talking things I can relate to.
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> What you're describing here reminds me a lot of the Palestinian-Israeli
> conflict that Scott and Dan were condemning earlier. I stayed out of the
> discussion because I know where those things go. But by-golly-gosh, do I
> know what you mean...
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre writes:
> > War is slime. And when covered with slime, it is always difficult
> > sorting the things out. The Kurdish thing here in south eastern Turkey
> > was/is a WAR. Between fully terrorist group PKK and Turkish Armed
> > Forces. It is a war that consumed 40.000 lives along its duration of
> > fifteen years, from both sides (do not forget to consider both "sides"
> > are citizens of Turkish Republic).
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> <nod> I don't have numbers, but the Hizballah and the Hamas are fully
> terrorist groups, and the toll is heavy. What can a country do against
> terror enacted within its own borders? Often by its own citizens? If this
> would have been occuring in the U.S. (bombings in the middle of town
> centers, buses!), you bet it would be "taken care of" ASAP. Yet Israel (and
> I bet Turkey, too) is condemned for any retaliative action.
Turkey and Israel are "free to take care of it". However, both have a
history of ignoring human rights and murdering civilians in the process.
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> <snip>
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> > AND, do you really know anything that worth knowing, about the Kurdish
> > problem here, of its (very recent, less than a hundred years) history?
> >
> > There is not a thing like "good war/honorable war" existing on earth,
> > and it never existed. Go after who crated all this hassle, if you really
> > prefer to have a point. Trying to nitpick dirtier part of a total dirt
> > is just... gabble.
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> Yeah... go figure where these messes started. These fights go back for
> years. And how the hell can you convince thousands and thousands that they
> are fighting for a silly cause? That they're wasting lives with their
> hate?... when these people won't even sit down and listen.
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> > And I feel that I must remind you, I'm not talking about a subject here
> > that I'm watching easily from my TV, sitting in my comfortable and SAFE
> > seat. I was partially inside of it (Turkish army based on conscription,
> > might be you know) and I'm a person who lives in his "safe" town, which
> > is quite familiar with bombs gone off in public places.
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> <nod nod>
> As someone who's about to be drafted (most likely - unless my health
> conditions dictate otherwise) I know exactly what you mean. One of my
> sisters lives in Jerusalem, the other in Haifa, and even in that "safe" city
> there were enough incidents lately.
>
> Two years ago, before I moved, our little town in the Galillee was hit by a
> Katyusha (a "small" rocket). It was the day before my birthday - I remember
> quite clearly - and there were about 100-150 kids and teenagers (me
> included) in the town center at the time, rehearsing for a show that was
> supposed to go up that night. Luckily for us, the rocket fell on the other
> side of the town, and only shattered a few windows. It could've ended in a
> major tragedy. The town is only about 3000 people total.
Hmm. And what about the rocket attacks I see your army perpatrate alsmost
daily on small towns... are those ones ~ok~? Do they not end in "major tragedy"?
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> So who are the victims? Hard to say. Anyone who's involved in things like
> that is in trouble. Too bad we can't just abolish weapons from this world.
> But I s'pose they'd fight with their hands then...
>
> -Shiri
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| (...) That's the way of blood feuds. Or gang-warfare. Or <your phrase of choice here>! Still, a less polemical tone might be more appropriate for someone in Great Britian. Britain is hardly a country without fault, historically speaking. If the sun (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Ooh, Selçuk - now you're talking things I can relate to. What you're describing here reminds me a lot of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict that Scott and Dan were condemning earlier. I stayed out of the discussion because I know where those things (...) (25 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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