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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:11:26 GMT
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Ooh, Selçuk - now you're talking things I can relate to.
What you're describing here reminds me a lot of the Palestinian-Israeli
conflict that Scott and Dan were condemning earlier. I stayed out of the
discussion because I know where those things go. But by-golly-gosh, do I
know what you mean...
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre writes:
> War is slime. And when covered with slime, it is always difficult
> sorting the things out. The Kurdish thing here in south eastern Turkey
> was/is a WAR. Between fully terrorist group PKK and Turkish Armed
> Forces. It is a war that consumed 40.000 lives along its duration of
> fifteen years, from both sides (do not forget to consider both "sides"
> are citizens of Turkish Republic).
<nod> I don't have numbers, but the Hizballah and the Hamas are fully
terrorist groups, and the toll is heavy. What can a country do against
terror enacted within its own borders? Often by its own citizens? If this
would have been occuring in the U.S. (bombings in the middle of town
centers, buses!), you bet it would be "taken care of" ASAP. Yet Israel (and
I bet Turkey, too) is condemned for any retaliative action.
<snip>
> AND, do you really know anything that worth knowing, about the Kurdish
> problem here, of its (very recent, less than a hundred years) history?
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> There is not a thing like "good war/honorable war" existing on earth,
> and it never existed. Go after who crated all this hassle, if you really
> prefer to have a point. Trying to nitpick dirtier part of a total dirt
> is just... gabble.
Yeah... go figure where these messes started. These fights go back for
years. And how the hell can you convince thousands and thousands that they
are fighting for a silly cause? That they're wasting lives with their
hate?... when these people won't even sit down and listen.
> And I feel that I must remind you, I'm not talking about a subject here
> that I'm watching easily from my TV, sitting in my comfortable and SAFE
> seat. I was partially inside of it (Turkish army based on conscription,
> might be you know) and I'm a person who lives in his "safe" town, which
> is quite familiar with bombs gone off in public places.
<nod nod>
As someone who's about to be drafted (most likely - unless my health
conditions dictate otherwise) I know exactly what you mean. One of my
sisters lives in Jerusalem, the other in Haifa, and even in that "safe" city
there were enough incidents lately.
Two years ago, before I moved, our little town in the Galillee was hit by a
Katyusha (a "small" rocket). It was the day before my birthday - I remember
quite clearly - and there were about 100-150 kids and teenagers (me
included) in the town center at the time, rehearsing for a show that was
supposed to go up that night. Luckily for us, the rocket fell on the other
side of the town, and only shattered a few windows. It could've ended in a
major tragedy. The town is only about 3000 people total.
So who are the victims? Hard to say. Anyone who's involved in things like
that is in trouble. Too bad we can't just abolish weapons from this world.
But I s'pose they'd fight with their hands then...
-Shiri
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| (...) Turkey and Israel are "free to take care of it". However, both have a history of ignoring human rights and murdering civilians in the process. (...) Hmm. And what about the rocket attacks I see your army perpatrate alsmost daily on small (...) (24 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Sorry, but both of these were not the main idea behind the film, if I got it correctly. Besides the film was not the main subject here. (...) So at least you already got the main idea, partially..:-) And believe me, public DOES NOT always (...) (24 years ago, 26-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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