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(...) (major snip) (...) This is true, for the most part, and for most majors. However, for CompSci, at least at my alma mater, there was a "team programming" course where your grade depended on the output of your team. I think the architectural (...) (25 years ago, 2-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) someone (...) What I was stating in the initial message was that a Lego robot test would harm the acadamically intelligent student. And it would. As have stated before that does not mean that I am content with the current system. I admit that (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And a "academically intelligent" person is always the best person to solve a problem? This is the thing, the collages have to look outside the box (outside the top 5-10-33% of students _by marks_ or _by SAT_ or by any other method that is (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would _disagree_ with you that the test to see how well a group of you can rebuild a lego robot is a poor test. I think that it is _just_ as valid a test as a SAT or other "grade" test, it is _not_ the only thing that should be tested for (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I ment by "academicallly intelligent" person was somebody who excels in the traditional areas of academics, reading, writing, history etc. Not someone who can make the best duplicate of a Lego robot. -Rich (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What about building with LEGO bricks excessively?;) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what about that part which says "minority admissions procedures that can withstand allegations of unfair preferences"? Sounds to me like they're vying for a more fair environment, not necessarily within the restrictions of affirmitave (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What exactly is an "academically intelligent" person? Is that a person that just knows how to get good grades? I remember many excellent students that were not so intelligent. Especially in High School, where there was a much more direct (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"we saved your butts" That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, and I would bet most of the Americans who fought in WWII would agree. To say "We fought & died along side of you, in the fight for freedom" is more accurate. We're not talking (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) conservative (...) _not_ (...) Conservative-1, Tending to conserve 2, Tending to preserve established institutions: opposed to change. This is the definition of the word "conservative" that is given in the Websters New World Dictionary. I am a (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave, (...) College is a learning experience, just for the most part, not a pleasant or an enlightening one. (...) Yes, to a point. Colleges are so bad in everything in terms of paperwork, etc. It gave me a bad taste for inefficient, non consumer (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Scott: (...) Boy oh boy, for the most part, you just hit the nail right on the head. Anyone asserting that college isn't a learning experience is using too narrow a definition. Almost invariably, one will learn about bureaucracy and incompetence, (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or you are showing yours, but I digress... (...) Yes, but what does that have to do with admitting minorities into a college? Business and college are very different. (...) Yes, see above.. (...) Yes, work again... (...) My point exactly. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To me there are two issues. The first is do we take people into college who are not necessarily the most likely to succeed. The second issue is how do you assure someone is most likely to succeed. Since I believe it is impossible to come up (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, most conservatives, in the US, are classical liberals, that do want to change a lot of things. I think we are going into different issues here. (...) Just because you are a progressive, doesn't mean you look forward either. Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jeremy, (...) "With affirmative action programs under legal fire, colleges and universities are searching for minority admissions procedures that can withstand allegations of unfair preferences." I am not assuming anything, this is a quote from the (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: [SNIP] (...) Once again, Limbaugh shows his vast ignorance. These kinds of tests are routinely used by management consulting firms to test employees to see how well they fit into an (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rich, and every one else out there!...Conservative _IS_ exactly that, IE, not all that forward looking. You are by definition if you look to new ideas _not_ a conservative. It always strikes me as funny that here in Canada, one of the major (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me a test that is fair across the board. You can't, they don't exist. Standardized tests are "standardized" for the majority, and time after time have been proven to have prejudices against those not taught to what the test makers thought (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're assuming that the entire reason for these tests is to get around these court decisions. What if there was a larger, more important reason -- like attempting to make testing the applicants more realistic and fair (see below)? It is a sad (...) (25 years ago, 1-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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