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(...) Q1 Did a marine not kill an incapacitated man "deliberately" in "self-defence"? Q2 Is there much of a difference between deliberately targeting civilians and having (URL) disregard> for their safety? Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe I should rephrase that, I believe that If we could trust them to only bomb the begeezers out of each other, we should leave, and simply ignore their existence until the stop the fighting. But they won't keep it within their own (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree that it sounds callous and mean-spirited, and in raw pragmatic terms it's just not a helpful course to pursue. By that same logic, we in the United States have been involved in well over two centuries of continuous war, so anyone could (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, as callous as it sounds, I do believe that after 2000+ years of continuous war in the middle east the term 'innocent civilian' is an oxymoron when referring to that part of the world.. just my mean spirited opinion... Two words: Carpet (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, just that they go on and on about a car bomb that killed a few dozen innocent civilians, but they don't even mention the residential raids by US forces that kill an equal or greater number of innocent civilians. The car bomb is terrible, (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Deliberately? I don't understand your complaint. JOHN (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, I'll take a daily 100 minute spot on a car bomb in Iraq, if only they'd air even one solid minute of footage of the innocent civilians that American forces kill each day. Why, at this rate, we'll only have to slaughter a few thousand more (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <yawn> Bush and the Pope are Nazis. Got it. <back to sleep> JOHN (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it would certainly suck to be him right now! (Yikes, 15 yards from spot of ball?) BTW, in general, is setting up sting ops a proper behavior of the press? I get a little wary when news stations play cops under the guise of "investigative (...) (20 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Once again, you've demonstrated your ignorance of United States history. (URL) Roosevelt> was President when we belatedly entered the war, not (URL) Washington.> Honestly, Scott--try to keep it straight. Dave! (20 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bush Jr: "It is a moment where the world will recognize the great bravery and sacrifice the Russian people made in the defeat of Nazism." Has he forgotten how Grandpappy Bush (Prescott Bush) hoped to profit from Nazism? ...even (URL) after> (...) (20 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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By the way, I suggest a five yard penalty for inopportune use of the word (URL) probe> in a headline. Dave! (20 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's better! (...) Or when you've committed the horrible crime of being an Iraqi civilian, for example. Dave! (20 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry. That should have been "Holocaust-denying-a...c-liberal" :-) (...) Yep. Life is tough when you are cannon fodder for the IDF. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm... Then you were probably kidding when you called me a (URL) holocaust denying anti-Semite>, too. (...) Hey, those kids were asking for it. They knew that they were Palestinians when they left their homes--what did they expect would (...) (20 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well spotted. I suppose I get tired of people in the media who objectively question Israeli nationalism either: (a) being called anti-Semitic (why is this worse than other, more prevalent, forms of racism?) or (b) being reminded of the (...) (20 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But that doesn't really get us anywhere. At most, Person B can say "I've thought it over, and I think you're correct about X. Of course, I have no way to verify that X was communicated to you via revelation, but I still like it." So X, whether (...) (20 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of all the names I have ever been called (I keep a list of the best as a check on hubris), this one is probably the best. It can't go on the list because you're not serious, but I love it anyway :-) Maybe I'll write it on the back... Richard (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: 'changing countries to be free' (was Re: Who the devil)
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(...) (chuckle) I can't imagine telling anyone what they should have said, much less yelling at them. A fine example of an underlying problem. (...) I wasn't personalising the argument to you Larry. The guns blazing is a popular and wrongheaded (...) (20 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now there is an argument, and close to the best possible riposte under all the circumstances, I think. Seems to sum up Larry and John perfectly in this case. Richard Still baldly going... (20 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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