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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) As is the ability to keep tabs with one's home nation in microseconds rather than months. The reason I mention this, and the reason I basically reject the "entangled alliances" caution, is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) policies (...) and (...) Well, exactly what our national interests are is certainly a matter for debate. I was just saying that whatever we decide they are, it is fine to use force to protect them. But if by economic imperialism, you mean free (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somewhat, yes. Largely? Not sure. Certainly the ability to rain defeat on your enemy 12000 miles away in a matter of a few hours is a major difference, though. (...) I don't give deific status to anyone or anything (other than, perhaps, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But there's a reason that the past is in the past. The world as Jefferson (whose idea of property, by the way, included certain individuals who were not duly compensated for their labor in his service) perceived it is largely irrelevant to the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dan: Permit me to take a guess, both for clarity's sake and also to make sure that I understand what he's saying. He's referring not to the "inalienable" rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, but rather the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You said "whatever", suggesting that you didn't agree. I restated it in hopes that you would clarify if you do or don't agree that inclusiveness is good. (...) Not that you disagree with what? (...) Great, (aside from the loaded words) but I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which "libertarian" white supremacists were these? The viewpoints are totally incompatible. That's twice in this thread you've made this false connection. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which "libertarian" white supremacists were these? The viewpoints are totally incompatible. That's twice in this thread you've made this false connection. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Economic imperialism, whatever that might be, surely doesn't fall within *this* libertarian's definition of what an appropriate national interest ought to be. Can you define what you mean a bit more? What I think Mark is getting at is that the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which compounds are these? I'm not familiar with any such "libertarian" compounds. ++Lar (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what is our national interest, besides economic imperialism? (...) What are our national interests, besides economic imperialism? (...) Perhaps I misunderstand you, but are you saying that only Americans have rights, such as those of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idaho...?! I've been to Idaho, these folks don't offer much threat. Are you sure you didn't mean Michigan? Besides, most of the white supremacists I've come across tend to be John Bircher folks... Just helping you fan the flames... Cheers, - (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good point with a debatable example. (...) Another good point, but it misses to a degree. People turn to violence when they feel disenfranchised for whatever reason - the Latasha Harlin/Rodney King one-two punch resulted in riots in Los (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a card-carrying Libertarian, the foreign policy plank is probably the part of the platform I disagree with the most. Regardless of what domestic policies we persue (libertarian ones, I hope), our national interest doesn't change. Now, I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It really annoys me when people clamor for a "smaller government." The first things to get cut are usually civil services, government publications, and the like. As an example, many years ago, the Coast Pilot division had some 25 or more (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What "set McVeigh off" may well have been the paranoia which surrounds these events. You should not forget that McVeigh and those at Ruby Ridge had links with libertarian white supremacists. The fact that the FBI has been clumsy in the past, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't that supposed to be what set McVeigh off in the first place (Waco, Ruby Ridge)? (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm glad my "elaboration" was helpful, and I hope I am clear now. <snipped discussion> (...) Sounds good to me, but why do you feel it is necessary to repeat yourself? Are you sure you are not addressing me? Have I mocked someone or done (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From my UK perspective, perhaps the best way to “prevent the next Timothy McVeigh” is to crack down on the over-armed libertarian (although some are also anti-semitic /white supremacists) "militiamen" compounds which populate hilltops in places (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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