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It's only a couple of weeks in the new year, and it looks like it's going to be an interesting 2004! I have a request, but before I go any further, let me say that personally, I understand the concerns surrounding the color changes. I know many of (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !!
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(...) I don't like the new grays simply because they do not match my existing grays. Since I am primarily a Castle builder/collector, I have a substantial supply of OLD gray pieces (both light and dark). The new dark gray has too blue, but the new (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Well personaly I like the new colors, yes, they may be annoying on the issue of people who invested alot in one color, but... The only issue i have, which Lego can't solve anyways, is, & has been, the naming of the colors on BrickLink, lol, come on, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jake, As an AFOL, I feel the color change impacts me on a basic, root level. Parts will come and go, themes will come and go. The one constant, to me, was the 5 or 6 original colors of the product I grew up with. This is a change at the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Calmly, and rationally.... It is my opinion that the new grays look more... uhmm... "mechanical", and although I'll admit it is absolutely _superb_ for modelling stuff that is supposed to be steel or some sort of metallic alloy, it won't cut it for (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hi Jake, I haven't actually seen the new colors yet; my buying has slowed down a lot in the last year or two, mostly driven by other factors rather than less interest. However, the new colors *have* contributed to my not buying any new sets yet this (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) Jake- Brave man, you, broaching this, and I appreciate it a great deal. I made my feelings understood in the informational bit regarding the restructuring moves, but I'll put it here again for reference. As with so many things, our criticism (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general) !
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(...) Firstly, I'll qualify my response by saying I haven't actaully seen the new colours yet. I expect it'll be a few more weeks before the '04 sets reach our shores. My concern is that the change to me seems a bit pointless. The pertinent question (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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First off, has anyone verified the accuracy of the claimed reason for the color change, i.e. to make the grays more "in line" with the other colors? I know very little about color theory, but naively, I'd say gray is 1/2 white and 1/2 black, or (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hello Jake, thank you for this opportunity. I was part of the crowd that was infuriated by the color change. Since the change, however, I have taken an objective approach to evaluate exactly how the new colors (especially light and dark gray) will (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Thank you for requesting our input on this issue. If you can tell us, what is your opinion as an AFOL of the color change - both the colors themselves, and the manner in which the change was handled? (...) Ah, but two months ago, TLC would (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Here are my current concerns about the color changes. Note, I define the isssue as 'replacing existing core colors with slightly different colors', so my opinion would be very different about new colors that clearly differ from existing ones. Also (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake McKee wrote: > But I know that you don't like this answer, so please use this opportunity (as > well as continuing to direct complaints and feedback through LEGO Customer > Service) as a way to have your voices heard. First things first. Forget (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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In a rather round about way the colour changes have worked out rather well for me. When I first read about the changes here on lugnet I felt an almost physical stab of pain. It was quite irrational. At the time I couldn't really articulate why I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Without going too far down the 'I remember when' line. We all agree colour and colour range are an important aspect (even if the word is incorrectly spelt). Too me the Lego colours have also been a source of the charm of the product. The simple (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hi, Jake, will Kate do an "official" translation of your posting (or her version for that matter) for www.1000steine.de? Or could you grant me the permission to translate and post it there? yours, Christian Treczoks (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) I dont like the "new" colors because they dont match the "old" ones. That is basically the whole reason I dislike them. I dont hate them but I certainly would keep the "old" ones too. A good idea would be to make both colors but I still would (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jake, Thank you asking these questions. If I had the chance to send a message to the folks at your company, it would be in the form of two questions: 1) Did the focus groups understand the potential ramifications of their decisions? For (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hello Jake, Personally, I especially despise the new reddish brown, it doesn't look brown at all. The new grays look OK, but I would still prefer it if the old grays were still in production. Regards Stephane S. (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) From my own point of view, there are a great many different shaped pieces and most people have accumulated diverse collections in specific colors best suited to their building interests. To me a 2x4 brick in a new shade of gray is an (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Others have responsed to your post and have expressed similar concerns to mine far more eloquently than I could, but I would just like to add three points that sum up my views: 1. The change makes my collection of old grey 'obsolete'. Ignoring (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) To Jake and the LEGO Company, I do not mind the color changes. I realize that there are public reasons, which have been stated, and private reasons for the change in colors and I have no negative feelings toward this decision. I personnally (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thanks for asking us for our input. I know it's pointless, but it allows us to actually tell you about how the color change has affected us. I have been receiving and purchasing LEGO products for 25 years. I got my first Classic Space set when I was (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Believe it or not, as outspoken as I sometimes am, this is my very first post on the color issue, here and on other forums. I'll word it so you'll be able to directly pass it on to colleagues/Billund. Dear Lego, I applaud the fact that you have come (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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As a child, I was frustrated that dark grey pieces consisted of pick axes, shovels, and castle helmets. Same for green trees and baseplates. I like color. And in general I prefer cool tones to warm- so I'd say I like the new greys. Will I miss the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I do not care for the new colors. If I say anything else I will violate your "nicely" request. JohnG, GMLTC (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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As I have not seen the new colours up close and personal, I cannot give a full assessment. However, what concerns me is this - I don't mind if LEGO introduces new colours. New colours are fine, as long as we don't expect to see down the road a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) "You can tell us until you're blue in your faces"... LOL! Lindsay, if that was intentional, it's brilliant. If it wasn't intentional, it's still brilliant! JohnG, GMLTC (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, Thanks for the "official" opportunity to be heard. I'll spare you the history, but suffice it to say that LEGO has been a part of my life for the past 34 years, and is one of the things that keeps me young. I posted a poll on LUGnet about this (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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1/15/04 To The LEGO Company: Thanks for addressing this publically. I really hope what we have to say doesn't fall on deaf ears. As a consumer, I have a choice on what I pay for, and right now I don't feel as though The LEGO Company's latest (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I do not own any of the new colors, but one of my friends do, so I have seen them first hand. First off, I am annoyed at the REPLACEMENT of colors, due to the fact I have just about built up enough Dark Gray and Brown to build an entire creation in (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I like the introduction of new colors (light yellow, sand colors, dark red), but to replace colors is something else. As far as I know, LEGO has only discontinued one color in the past (Maersk blue) and that is solely because it was a promotional (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I have two main concerns with the color change. 1. The brown bothers me more than the greys. Brown needs to look like wood for so many creations and themes (Castle, Pirates, and Wild West, just to name a few). Even though I tend to be a historical (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I've already addressed why I don't believe the reason given for the new colors, so I won't get into that here. However... My wife is going be very happy this year as a direct result of the new colors, because I'll be buying much less new lego. For (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) Jake, thanks for giving us the opportunity to be heard. Honestly, at first I didn't care about the color change because I didn't think it would be a big deal, but now I am concerned. I don't buy LEGO at the same pace as some of the people (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) Is there even a realistic chance of change? I read the other day that TLC had sold (URL) ~1,000,000> Hogwarts Castle sets; that made me realise how small the AFOL market really is. This, together with new "vibrant" greys hitting the shelves, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Understandable. I feel the same way, especially since I have had no replies from TLC to customer service regarding the color change. (...) Didn't someone post a photo to LUGNET? I remember Jake saying something in defense, but I dont' remember (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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After hearing about the color change, I decided not to pass judgement until I actually saw the new colors. Well, I have bought several of the new WorldCity sets (great models!), so I do know the two new greys. And... I realy like them! They have a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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What do I think about the new colors? Hmm... I think the first thing I thought of is one of the reasons I actually end up rejecting Mega Bloks. It seems that every time they introduce a new theme, the parts in that theme are entirely incompatible (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hello! The new grey coloures may be cool. But I like warm colours better. Bye Jojo (URL) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, You are a brave soul. I was going to stay out of this issue, however after seeing the colors in person I have one thought. THESE NEW GRAY COLORS ARE MEGABLOCK COLORS! I have refrained from making this statement in the past weeks. We have an (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I've just got a small amount of the new grey's in the Imperial Shuttle. Whilst the both colors are fine as part colors, and could be usefull in some models, i feel that i much prefer the origional grey bricks as general parts. The old grey is much (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I know Lego's mission is to sell new sets, so I won't go into compatability with old colors. The new dark grey looks too cold and boring to me. The original had a nice warmth to it that made it mix nicely with the other colors. I haven't seen (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hello! The new grey coloures may be cool. But I like warm colours better. The world is cold enough, so why does LEGO even enhance the chill by producing such unnatural and unfriendly colours? (Sorry for answering my own post!) Bye Jojo (URL) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Well, I have been thinking about my opinion on the color change for awhile. I recently bought some of the 2004 sets, so I could see what the fuss was about. My concerns are the following: My collection is large, so it naturally has a lot of grey. (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Yup, I am really excited about some of the new sets. Namely, that new Harry Potter shack, looks very good as a source of house parts. (...) Well, here's my tiny little input on the matter of new colours: I don't hate them. In fact, I think (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I see the new colours that are only slightly different from the old one introduce major headache to all AFOL, and kids. This include the new greys, light yellow and three new oranges. Say this kid build a plane, and notice the right wing colour is (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake- I usually do not have a vocal presence on LUGNET, but I feel that this is an excellent opportunity to express an opinion of this change. I personally don't mind the new colors as an ADDITION to the existing and ever-growing color palette. A (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake, Thanks for getting our feedback. New colors are great, but I think a core color change is a mistake. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the ingenious idea of the LEGO company to get people to buy bricks, and then buy more bricks to add to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'll begin by saying "Thanks for letting me." In nice wording, the color change is a rather unwise move and I hope will be corrected. Change is something we've (both LUGNET and general public) been reading about of lately. Many of us here have (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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<snip> Jake, Thanks for actively bringing up this topic. When I heard that colors were being replaced, it was like a punch in the stomach for me. I have been a LEGO fan, collector, builder, and proponent for much of my life. (I am 26, and have been (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I wasn't going to get involved with this, as I didn't want to get caught up in the debates. Thanks for the chance to state an opinion without all the noise. As a parent, I have to say that the replacing of the colors doesn't make any sense to me. My (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I myself haven't bought any of the new sets for 2004 yet, nor have I personally seen the new colored bricks. Until I get some of my own to judge, I have to say that I do not support the changes. Over the last few years, I have amassed quite a bit of (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, FTX)
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Adding new colors is a good thing, in my option, but that's not what's happened here. AFOL's argue about new colors, but the worst case scenario is that hated new colors can be ignored (placed in a storage bin and never used), or they can be sold to (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake & All, Thanks for the opportunity to give you some feedback. I know this is a delicate issue, as I have heard from various AFOL's from "Don't buy LEGO products" to letter campaigns to others, and I have read the responses so far in this thread, (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I am very tempted to say a lot about this issue but as most is already said, I’ll keep it short: As an engineer of profession I will just repeat the old saying that can never be repeated too often: Don’t repair something that is not broken! This in (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't have any of the new color pieces yet, but I've seen the new greys. I haven't seen the other new colors (e.g. brown) however. I think the real problem is that the old greys are too yellowish, not that there's anything wrong with the new (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) VERY GOOD MOVE, Jake! IMHO, life is full of changes and that's why it makes it interesting and chalenging. We can all adapt in every situations. I understand the concern of certain AFOLs, and here are my thoughts: -First, WHY this decision? I (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) My take on the issue: For the new grey, the change is rather subtle and unless put right next to eachother I don't see much problems with using the color in new models I will make together with the old grey. For the new dark grey however (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hi Jake, nice to ask us about our feelings, but even if you tell us, TLC will not change back to the old colours, I still wish you would do. Even if that would not heal all the wounds that broke up now. What I personally think about the colour (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Oh man, must resist the urge to go off again. :) Seriously though....... The new grey colors are too blue and look very faded. The light much less than the dark grey, but faded and blue none the less. As for the brown, the old brown was perfect. The (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hello Jake, Thanks for the opportunity to get feedback from the fan base, and see what the responses are. I've read about 2 to 3 dozen responses on the color change. While I didn't think I'd reply, after reading the posts I felt to chime in. As a (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Do I like the change in colors? No. I'd like to keep the current color pallet. In fact, I think there are too many color variations as is. Why do I not like the change? As an engineer, I am always concerned with backwards compatibility. Sure (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'll agree on that. It will be a choise between buying or NOT buying any new Lego set :-( Of cause I had to buy one just to see the colors for myself. This is my conclusion on the colors: 1. I like the new grey. It is actually more clear in (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I really, really like the new grey colors. I think in and of themselves, they're great--the gunmetal dark grey could be extremely useful for lots of space things, and the light grey is nicely neutral. However, I really DISLIKE them as (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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OK, I guess this is my chance to sum up my thoughts on new colors (having not yet read any of the previous 60 posts on this thread): I strongly oppose the change in colors and that issue alone has caused me to stop buying new Lego sets for the first (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, Thank you for taking the time to get feedback from the AFOL community. I hope most of it is rational and polite. Light gray and dark gray are (were) my favorite colors and I was very upset to hear about the color changes. As a new color, in (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Lego has represented the new grays as an "improvement". I don't agree - they are merely different. For some applications of gray, they will work better, for others, they will be worse. Natural stone is a warm tone, and the yellowish gray old bricks (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thank you TLG for such a change in color and how you did it. I am sure that when my kids (who are NOT born yet) go to MBA school this will be a classic case study on how a company goes DOWN the toliet! In my studys for my MBA I learned how IBM (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hello Jake, First, I'd like to thank you for allowing the AFOL community a chance to provide constructive feedback. I don't know of many other companies that would take such interest in a relatively small market segment's opinion. From a personal (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) When I first read about the color change, I thought..well...it can't be that bad...however..now that I own a few of the sets wnd some of the colors...I can see why some people are so upset. The first thing I thought when I saw them in person (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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"Jeramy Spurgeon" <beatnik303@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HrJF80.7xE@lugnet.com... (...) red), but (...) because it (...) be (...) change (...) and (...) fight (...) all (...) about (...) old.I (...) that (...) IMHO the discontinuation of (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Thanks for asking. The new colors would be great if thats what we had all along in place of the old colors, but we don't so I would have to say that I would rather buy a bucket of old colors rather than the new ones. On the other hand, if I didn't (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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So far I have bought sets with new dark and light gray and new brown, so I've seen the 3 major color changes. I don't like the new light gray or new brown. The new dark gray is OK, but only for certain pieces. As for the whole color replacement in (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I actually LIKE the new colors. But I DON’T WANT them because they’re changing a constant (or so we thought!) in the LEGO universe: light gray (and dark gray). The new colors are not backward-compatible and don’t match older LEGO-products. There you (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Let me put it this way : after seeing the new and old grays together in a project, it is my opinion that the persons who approved the color change should be fired by TLG. I would say I hate the change, but you asked to be calm and non-hateful. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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The main reasons i do not like this color change: 1. They don't match the old ones. 2. When mixed, the old ones look like degradaded with time. The old light grey seem too much yellowed and i hate yellowed parts. (see this post: (URL) Storing will (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Well, I suppose we can attempt to be civil about this... :o) After hearing about it initially I was not too concerned, "How far off the beaten path of the color palate would LEGO stray?" I thought. Very far was my answer. I purchased the Mos Eisley (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for the opportunity Jake. My main concern is the discontinuation of the classic colours. As many have already said, not being able to get any more bricks in those colours is gonna seriously affect a lot of AFOLs. I seem to remember (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Nicely? hmmm.....after having read the previous 70-odd replies, I don't know if 'nicely' really means anything. If there is no chance of reversing the color change, then what is the real point of the thread? If there is even a slight chance (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thanks for taking the time to ask for our views. I have not personally seen the new colors yet, but I can understand where folks are coming from. They see a discontinuance of an existing (and well used) set of colors. Likewise folks see a long road (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, Thank you for the opportunity to provide input. I have already sent in letters though the consumer affairs website. After reading most of the posts in the thread, I don't know if I will be able to add any unique or new viewpoints to what has (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Personally, if TLG cares about the millions of life long builders and collecters, they should take this seriously. (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Sometimes just one simple sentence like this very one is more clarifying than thousands of words. Thanks for sharing! Best, Paulo Renato (Sorry Jake but, i couldn't help reply to this one:-) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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There have been a lot of posts to this thread already. I won't repeat the many different reasons given why this color change has personal negative impact to folks, except to say that I agree with them all as valid. I will be personally negatively (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) Don't miss this brickshelf picture in all the replys to Jake... -Matt :) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. Well, let's pretend for a minute that I haven't had much time to read Lugnet posts for about six months, and let's pretend, just pretend, that I might have missed all the hub-bub that might have led to your recent posts, and let's say (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Ditto. Anything that really needs to be said would not be said nicely, so I'll leave it at: The new dark grey is WAY too blue, and I will be buying VERY little retail Lego this year in response. I'll be getting most of my Lego secondhand, cutting (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I'd say pound them down with a rubber hammer, as TLG builders do, but looking at the pic, they really are stacked about as tight as they'll go, definitely not enough gappage there to even out the stacks. Just one more step on the way to MegaBloks (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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The new colors, in and of themselves, are fine. Others have done a great job expressing concern about the real issue - deprecating the old colors - and almost all of those reasons are near and dear to me as well, including the longer-term inability (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I think it's bad idea whose karmic boomerang will come back at TLG in more ways than I think any of us can now predict. 1. Compatibility no longer exists. I hope the Consumers Affairs division is ready to handle the increase in complaints. 2. Any (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote: I don't have anything against the new greys (and other colors), but, it would be nice to have the "old" grey still available in bulk orders from Shop@Home indefinately. The castle builders in particular are most (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake - I don't like the change to the colours. I think it's a big mistake. I'm aged 30, and I've been buying Lego for myself for 25 years. Bricks and plates have been available in light grey for that long, as have mini-figures. I regard both as (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Hi Jake, I'm not exactly a huge poster here on lugnet, but I am a collector of huge amounts of lego. I only got back into lego a couple of years ago so I no doubt don't have the collections other folks here do. I strongly oppose the colour change. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Much like the numerous previous opinions, I agree that the color diversification is a good thing, but not at the expense of established colors. However, the central issue for me is not that my greys and browns will become antiquated and mismatched. (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake. Thanks for asking. This is my first post in regards to this topic, although I feel very strongly about it. My biggest concern is that this is an omen of things to come. After producing these colors for over twenty years, they are changed so (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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"Jason J Railton" <j.j.railton@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:HrL12I.17L0@lugnet.com... (...) experimenting (...) happens (...) negative (...) Will (...) disaster, and (...) idea the (...) What I have read says skin tones have been added only (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I've now got my first firsthand experience with the new colors, so here goes: LT gray is so close, I wonder why you bothered at all. Old Dk grey is better for rocks and earthly matters New dk grey is kind of more interesting to look at. As far as (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Bottom line - I think the color change is a huge mistake. Jake, I appreciate you taking the initiative to do some fact finding on this. And I cannot pass up this opportunity to offer my views. I have been a Lego fan since 1974 when my mother put a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Jake, here are my thoughts about the color change: I have already purchased new sets utilizing the new colors and I would have to say that the new light gray looks really good compared to the old light gray. It looks a lot brighter compared to the (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thank you Jake. I am glad that the color issue is being addressed. In my opinion, the changing of colors is only one symptom of a larger problem at LEGO. LEGO cannot be everything to everyone. LEGO should be LEGO. It is much more important to be (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I can not help thinking that the company asking (or rather the fact that they need to be told by you Jake) AFOLs opinions' after the fact, is simply adding insult to injury. (...) To the LEGO company, I would like to make it perfectly clear (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake McKee wrote in message ... (...) (as (...) Much of what I would say has already been said multiple times, so I won't bore you with repetition. I think it's a really, really bad idea. One of my major concerns though, is that I have no way now (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) I'm still very unhappy with the change. My spending had been way up to gather the old colors. Once they are gone most of my money will go to Lego's newest competitor - the after market. This was a bad decision at a worse time. As they bemoan (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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First of all Jake let me say thanks for providing us the stage to say what we think despite the fact you know it probably won't be good things:-( I am a LEGO fan for the last 23 years I think or so since I got my very first LEGO set and mainly a (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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From my standpoint as a castle-head, color variations is not a horrible thing per se--real stone walls aren't all one shade, so mixing shade differences is fine. However, the new dark gray looks too blue to me and is therefore not very useful. I (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Sorry to answer my own post, but I forgot about the new brown. I actually have not seen this in person yet, but from what I've seen in photos that is even worse than the new dark gray. Bruce (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi, Personally, I have no problem with the new colours. I can remember getting gray 1x1x1 clips in the mid-80s that didn't match the gray of other bricks, I thought it strange, but it didn't really bother me. My only concern with a colour change is (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I like the new colours and support their introduction. I have somewhere over 100,000 pieces including a lot of light and dark grey, both of which have always been too yellowish or brownish for my tastes. The new light grey is nicer and I will (...) (21 years ago, 16-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Anything can be recycled into black, because carbon is the cheapest source of black colorant (with the added benefit of being naturally UV resistant), and it will overpower any previous colors. This did get me thinking, though, that the greys (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Despite the fact that I have a large collection of the old colors, I like the new colors as well. Thanks :-) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Is that anything like the ancient Chinese blessing/curse "May you live in interesting times"? The only product change in history that I can think of that begins to equate to this is New Coke, which has since been revealed as an attempt to draw (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jake, Thank you for taking the time to solicit opinions from the fan base. Much has already been said in this message thread and others about the color change. For me personally, the color change means two things: 1. One of my favorite colors (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) Jake, I really don't much care one way or the other exactly what the colours are - whatever shade of grey we have will be right for something and not quite right for something else. HOWEVER I'm very upset that standard colours should change on (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) My biggest personal gripe: it's just another step farther away from the nostalgic feeling I get when interacting with the product. The biggest reason why I still have LEGO in my life (and lots of it), is that it brings me back to childhood. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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If I had to pick my favorite ever LEGO color, it would have to be (the old) dark gray. Don't know why, I've just always thought that a dash of dark gray always adds something good to a model asthetically. It's going to take me a while to adjust to (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Here is what I think of the new colors. Firstly, from a business standpoint: 1) The color change is baffling. In a time when the LEGO company is in finanial straits, and each business decision it makes becomes the more crucial, how could it possibly (...) (21 years ago, 17-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:HrInyA.22B1@lugnet.com... (...) about (...) would (...) and that (...) more (...) in (...) I didn't care for the way the color change was handled, nor for the official explanation (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I bought all four of the new SW mini sets just so that I could comment intelligently on this topic. I couldn't afford the sets with the new brown, so I will restrict my comments only to the greys. I tried with the other colours. In every case they (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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This is my first post on Lugnet and it couldn't be on a better topic. I was very closed minded that I would hate the new colors when I first read about the change on here. After getting some of the 2004 sets my mind changed. The dark gray is a (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Thanks for the opportunity to offer my opinions on the new 2004 colors. I'll have to admit that I'm disappointed with the new grays and brown. While they look great in the handful of new sets I have purchased, they simply do not match my existing (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, Thank-you for asking. I am very much in favor of TLG bringing back the old colors. The cornerstone of the Lego System is compatibility. The idea that set elements can be combined. Colors are every bit as much a part of the Lego System as stud (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake! Thank you for the chance to 'chime in' on an official thread dealing with the new colors. As many other Lego fans are aware, I'm one of the company's biggest supporters of new colors. From the day Dark Grey debuted, I knew I would be hooked (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Surely one of the main values of a construction toy is that more bricks can be added over time to create new models. This is why I cannot understand why the LEGO company is removing the colour compatibility of new sets with old. The changes are (...) (21 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) Jake, Thanks for asking. The new colors are fine. The lost of the old colors is what scares me. Why? AFOL numbers do not qualify for a product dedicated to us, but up until now the principles of never-ending compatibility have meant that we (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Hi, I am in the camp that likes the new colors, and I think the new light grey may be better than the old. But then, I have a pretty large collection of the old colors, and for what I do with LEGO, it's all I should need going forward. For me, (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote: SNIP (...) SNIP (...) Overall, I like the new colors INDEPENDENTLY, but I don't think they are better than the old colors, and I do NOT like the fact that the old colors aren't going to be produced any more. Per (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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First off, thanks for putting this out there, Jake. Now, to answer your question: Personally, I LIKE the new colors. I have amassed a lot of "old" light gray and I build a lot of spaceships in that color. I like to use old, worn and faded light gray (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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"Jake McKee" <jacob.mckee@america.lego.com> wrote in message news:HrInyA.22B1@lugnet.com... (...) to be (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) For the most part, I have stayed out of the color debate. I appreciate the opportunity to comment on this topic, (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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Jake, thank you so much for soliciting feedback. There are a number of aspects to this topic for me, so I will try to be a succinct as possible: 1. Adding new colors is *always* a good thing. The reason is simple in that it spurs new creative (...) (21 years ago, 19-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) They're fine. I look forward to getting hold of some (because they don't seem to be available at retail in Australia yet). I have enough 'old' grey to be going on with, and I'll use the new colours as highlights.... until I get enough of the (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I'm reposting this from a thread at FBTB: I'm a stickler for color matching and schemes, building in sometimes wacky color schemes, yes, but always unified. For a person like me, the two greys are distinct colors, one better used with blues (the (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Boo! Hiss.....By discontinuing existing colors, TLC seems to be shooting itself in the foot (again). Noting the rather large monetary losses shown by TLC last year I have to wonder if this is simply another "focusing on the wrong things" Sounds like (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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In lugnet.lego, Jake McKee wrote: SNIP (...) SNIP (...) Hey Jake, I'm not going to repeat a lot of what I've read in this thread. However, I haven't read the entire thread, just too lazy I guess, so I hope what I *AM* going to say hasn't been said (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) ..... Jake, Thank you for taking the time to ask for this input and presumably to collate it. After thinking a lot about this subject I think that it boils down to one main issue: The perception that the color change will make it more (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake! First of all, I admit that I haven't read all of the replys: only the first 50 or something like that. So if my thought have already been expresed by someone else, then just move along. Many times when I see a commercial for an item, they (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake, I'm in the same boat as those who feel that it's already been said (and, in some cases, much better than I could ever do). But I do feel like I should comment, if for no other reason than to add my name to the list of discontents and not (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hi Jake, thank you for your concern in our dislike in the new colors and for starting this posting. This is my first posting here on Lugnet. I am usually a quiet reader here. And I think if it hadn't been for the color change, I keep my lips shut. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hello Jake, I've been unpleasantly affected by the color issue, especially because of the surprisingly sudden and unannounced nature of this change. During the past year, I've been collecting an extensive range of special parts in light gray, for a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) I just saw the new colors in person, so now I can make an informed assessment. I ordered a few sample pieces from BrickLink so I could see what all the fuss is about. In simplest terms, looking at the new and old colors side by side, I prefer (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Jake, This change means that I will spend most of my money on Bricklink rather on new sets. I will only be purchasing the original gray colors that match my current collection. While my dollars won't make much of an impact on The Lego Company, (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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I doubt that I'll have much to add to this debate that hasn't already been said Not too many years ago, one of the pillars of Lego's marketing strategy was that every new Lego product you bought multiplied the value of the Lego products you already (...) (21 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !
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(...) Well it's be over a month since I've had the new colors and I think I have to say I'm sorry for my earlier post. I vented my fustration on the new colors and how I did not like them. But in this past month I've actually used them in some small (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I hope the genius who decided on the color changes gets paid more than I used to spend on new bricks each year... because you've lost my business! (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I'd be pretty impressed if you spent more on Lego than an entire executive salary. But that doesn't make much sense anyway -- do companies now _make_ money from what they pay their employees? (21 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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When I came home from reading week one of the first things my younger brothers did was tell me how ugly and blue the new dark gray was. They came and showed me the new light gray on my brother’s mini imperial shuttle, and my brother had already (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX) !!
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(...) Not necessarily true. The entire LEGO color pallete leans well towards the warm side of the spectrum, including colors that you wouldn't immediately think of, like green and white (this probably has something to do with the fact that natural (...) (21 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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I think they're just refusing to admit that one of the reasons for the color change is that they use recycled ABS now for some grey and black (as noted in various articles on the web). Since they seem to LOVE the color blue (ever notice how much (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general) !!
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(...) I just bought my first 2004 set with brown, l-gray and d-gray. If I'm happy with the set itself (4501), I must say that I truly don't appreciate the nw colors. I had already seen them before in a project from someone else, but now that I have (...) (21 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Hey, Terry! I had somewhat the same experience when building the new mini-ISD (4092?). I like (not love, just like) the set, and have bought several to try and build a mid-sized ISD. When building it, I hadn't built anything with Lego in over (...) (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Artificial, fake, synthetic, imitation... Do any of those sound right? (21 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Great conspiracy theory, but I think it would be too difficult in practice to get the same amount of each color in each batch of recycled ABS - otherwise you'd have variation in the new colors from batch to batch. Oh, wait, haven't we seen that in (...) (21 years ago, 16-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Chiming in late, but then my biggest concerns are only just arising.... New colors good - retiring old staple colors bad. That said, while it may change things, it's not something I'll discontinue my hobby over. In fact, I'm looking forward to (...) (21 years ago, 16-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) It's not as difficult as it sounds. Well, assuming your recycled material maintains a consistent color (clearly, that's not happening). Plastic colors are minutely fine-tuned, so as long as you know the specific color of the batch (a lot less (...) (21 years ago, 16-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general, FTX)
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Have you guys called the LEGO S@H service? I talked over half an hour with a lady from LEGO and filed a complaint regarding the new colors. She said that they knew of the situation but they didn't get many complaints. I think that if more people (...) (21 years ago, 16-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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(...) Yep, you put it to the man, dude. Yah! 30 minutes of pure righteous "3vil" fury where it will do the most good: Customer Service! Wooo...ooo! (devil fingers) They are keeping you down, brother! They are keeping your children down, my brother. (...) (21 years ago, 17-Mar-04, to lugnet.lego, FTX)
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