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Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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lugnet.general
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Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:59:24 GMT
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> writes:
> Is this an improvement? Some may disagree, but I think 6407 is
> among the worst offerings in LEGO's history, especially at $.23 per
> piece! 6407 has only the hose reel and the trans-blue slopes to
> recommended it. In contrast, 672 had two opening doors, a
> windshield, a trailer hitch, and an extending ladder!
I agree with your points here, but I would still say that the 6407,
being a Town Jr set, is aimed at a different crowd than the 672. That
makes them difficult to compare. It's a bit like comparing a Duplo
set with a System set. Not quite, but you get the general idea.
Besides, I don't think it makes sense to compare the 6407 with the
more expensive 672. Compare 6407 in stead with 602, which is
probably in the same price range:
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/602_1
Now, which set is better or more playable?
> One (admittedly self-centered) rule I use in assessing the
> quality of a new set is the MOC value of it. That is, if I had
> designed it, how would I feel in presenting it to LUGNET as a MOC?
> If I'd created the 6407, LUGNET would never have known about it,
> since I'd have dismantled that sorry model in shame.
Yes, I would never have even started on an MOC like the 6407. But
still, I have seen MOCs presented on lugnet.cad.models which bear
resemblance to the 6407, so some probably disagree with us.
> For that matter, the alleged C-3PO and Stormtrooper kits are also
> terrible, and I would never have felt proud to share them with the
> community.
That's a point where we disagree. I think the said sets look just
great. I think they are a result from a very creative and imaginative
use of parts, and I believe they probably took a lot of time to
design. In fact, they have encouraged me to look into designing
characters using the same kind of parts selection, but I haven't got
too far yet, unfortunately.
Of course I agree with people that the Town Jr line is bad as a Town
line. But I think that people should take into consideration that
they are not designe with the same crown in mind as the earlier Town
sets. If people don't like juniorized sets, they should simply don't
buy them. I feel pretty confident that one can build nice town MOCs
from the parts selection available from other sets.
Fredrik
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 | | Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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| (...) Indeed. Outside of the minifig, it it not that great. Both of them really lack the entusiasm as the 1980's early sets. (...) Town Junior has some good parts, which can make for better MOC's, Chris Leach does a good job, among others. I think (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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| (...) I'd say that comparing 6407 to 672 is comparing 2 sets that were marketed to the same demographic group a generation apart. All things being equal, the newer set is less satisfactory because it does not make good use of two-decades worth of (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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| (...) Well said. Let's review: Someone asked about seeding or using "spotter" parts, questioning the accuracy and or legitimacy of the explanation given by TLC (which explanation, I reiterate, I agree with as being accurate and legitimate. I have (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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| (...) Good point, but the 602 would probably retail for $2.99, vs. $4.95 for the 6407. At the same time, using the "standard" of about a dime per piece, the 672 would come in at about six bucks, even with the ladder, and that's essentially the same (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | Re: TLG and "Seeding"
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| (...) In this discussion the Star Wars sets have been generally regarded as exceptions to the rule. Your 673 example is more on target but still overlooks the dreadful state of design in more recent Lego sets. Compare, for example, set (URL) from (...) (24 years ago, 28-Feb-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.starwars)
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