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(...) Right, basically. One thing we were talking about a while back was using 'lynx --dump' to convert the source data (which includes minimal HTML markup) into ASCII for spitting out into the ng. (...) For right now, yes, but ultimately this group (...) (25 years ago, 14-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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(...) Good idea. The current 200+ messages aren't any fun to read. (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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(...) Wouldn't it be cool if there were something other than HTML that was actually readable as plaintext but which also looked great when converted to HTML? --Todd (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | Re: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?]
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(...) It's interesting you said that. For my own purposes (and this is unrelated to LUGNET) I've developed a few simple ASCII tags that I use in my web page source files. My web pages (on (URL) ) are all typed in as plain ASCII text files. I use a (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | Re: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?]
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(...) I _know_ there's a good smartass answer to this comment somewhere, but I can't think of it. Very tragic. (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | Good read (Was: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?])
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(...) Okay, I've been reading aout numbers for a half hour now. Very interesting reading, at least for a geek such as I. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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(...) Ahh, but it wasn't at all a smartass question. :-) Rather, it was 110% serious, tossed out as food for thought. There actually are things that fit the bill above. --Todd (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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| | Re: Good read (Was: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?])
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(...) Me too! Great stuff, Robert! Say, here's a fun tidbit about the golden ratio if you're interested -- If you plot multiples of phi on the unit interval [0,1), then the nth multiple always falls into the largest "untouched" sub-interval. That is (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Good read (Was: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?])
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Well, *since* we're in the off-topic, GEEK newsgroup... <-: (-; [-8 Yes, I knew those things about *phi* and I've left out a lot of other stuff about *phi* for aesthetic reasons. I've been at a bit of a quandary about what to do with my number and (...) (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: Good read (Was: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?])
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(...) Majorcool geekage! --Todd (25 years ago, 17-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Hee hee! COOL! Say, I wonder if math-geeks have a strong natural affinity toward custom tools like that? Why design a special tool and a custom markup when HTML already exists? Answer: Because it's easy, more pleasant to work with for lots of (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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(...) Gulp, I made the same mistake in my URL detection code on the web interface here. Just tightened up the set of allowable characters a bit and regression tested...much better now. BTW, I'm consciously going against what W3 says about the ~ (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Unix makes the ~ character a users home directory ... so UnixSystem/~lee ... would be my home directory ... Now because of this, and since the Internet (Arpanet) were all college schools when it 'went public', the system of choice at colleges (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) That's what I thought the etymology of ~ was in URLs too -- but how did it ever get *allowed* in URLs in the first place? That's what baffles me. The first time someone tried it, why didn't it fail? The early browsers and httpd daemons must've (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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Wouldn't NCSA be the one to blame? ncsa-httpd supported the feature that caused people to use ~. Did they make that up? KL (...) (25 years ago, 18-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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Universal Resource Locators (that's what it stands for) started out as path descriptions. For why twiddle is supported, you might read up on the Andrew File System. ~lpien is a valid file path (that is, you can cd to it) on a CTP unix box, or was (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Total grokkage there! (Been using ~ for that since '84 :) It's one of the Truly Great Simplicities of modern day computing life, IMHO. (...) I think -that's- the key thing! (People considering it broken.) URLs & URIs do disallow twiddle (ASCII (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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| | The way of the Math Geek (was Re: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?]
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(...) I actually believe my main reason for doing it was that I had to create hundreds of pages of HTML, and I didn't trust any of the "HTML authoring tools" to do what I wanted. Basically, I thought other people's tools would have bugs or (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: [faq FAQ How do I format an entry in the Lugnet FAQ?]
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(...) I should also point out that I have an almost pathological affinity for using ASCII when about 99.5 % of the sane world would use graphics. For example, see: (URL) actually wrote general-purpose code for converting bitmap images of line art (...) (25 years ago, 21-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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(...) Ho...ly...smokes. This is cool. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 21-Jul-99, to lugnet.faq)
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Todd Lehman: (...) The primary reason for disallowing ~ is the special treatment it gets in several European languages. If people type <slash> <tilde> <s> <p> (expecting "/~sp") some systems will just return "sp". Similarly if people type <slash> (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Wow. OK, that certainly makes sense. So, the hypothesis is that "~" may have been disallowed so that commonly available software (which used "~" for special formatting tricks) for certain languages didn't have to be altered to parse-recognize (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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Todd Lehman: (...) It works like I described (at least the ~n case) even in Word97/Win95(DK), so I am not sure it is correct to call it a "backward" compatibility problem[1]. People have to learn to type <tilde> <space> to get a tilde on most (...) (25 years ago, 27-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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Jacob Sparre Andersen skrev i meddelandet ... (...) for (...) It has nothing to do with different software (MS or others), it's in the keyboard driver (OK, that's probably MS). On a Swedish keyboard '~' is a 'dead char', which is automatically (...) (25 years ago, 31-Jul-99, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Tilde is not a shift+anykey character but rather RightAlt+anykey (ü in Turkish "q" keyboards) character. RightAlt key (actually named as "Alt Gr") behaves differently from LeftAlt key in most european keyboards and only used for performing a (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) We have two different keyboard configurations here, "q" and "f". In the first one, letters are all located as a "qwerty" layout with a few additions like ç ö ü and some others that you can't see if I type, and almost all the special (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Me too -- I know what you mean. And the cluelessness about non-U.S. conventions is IMHO even worse than the chauvinism... One thing to remember, though: The A in ASCII does stand for American. :-) Say, I've got a user-interface question about (...) (25 years ago, 2-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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Todd Lehman skrev i meddelandet ... (...) Agreed, but in my vocabulary 'clueless' rings harsher than 'chauvinist', am I totally out of line there? (...) I don't have all the messages in the thread left (and am off-line, as usual), but I'm sure my (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) Oh, not at all -- that's exactly what I meant. U.S. cluelessness about non-U.S. conventions is even worse than U.S. chauvinism. At least chauvinists know that other conventions exist. :-) (...) Yes, but the reason ISO-8859-1 (for example) has (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: URL characters (off-topic)
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Todd Lehman skrev i meddelandet ... (...) Pointers...??? Who needs pointers? We're talking about Pascal, right? :-) With the Object Pascal implemented in Borland Delphi, you can get a looong way without ever using pointers (consciously). BTW, I'm (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) What about just using a Dvorak keyboard? I've never seem one, but it is designed to lessen finger movements across the keyboard, where as QWERTY was designed to slow people down so their typewriters wouldn't jam... --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o (...) (25 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I don't think the original purpose of QWERTY was to _slow_ people down. Many mechanical typewriters can operate at hair raising speeds. What causes the typewriter "hammers" to jam is usually two subsequent letters from the same area of (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: QWERTY keyboards (was: Re: URL characters)
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(...) Hmm, I thought the original purpose of the QWERTY keyboard was to make sure that, while giving a demo, the word TYPEWRITER could be plucked out using all keys from the top row of letters. ;-) --Todd (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: QWERTY keyboards (was: Re: URL characters)
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(...) Just for fun, here are a couple one-liners which spit out a list of words that can type typed on a single hand using a QWERTY keyboard... Left hand: cat /usr/dict/words | grep -i '^[qwertasdfgzxcvb]*$' Right hand: cat /usr/dict/words | grep -i (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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| | Re: QWERTY keyboards (was: Re: URL characters)
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(...) Yes, but in the process of making it slow down, you also make it into as inefficent as possable. (and have the keys as far from one another as is possible) My mom has a 70 year old _mechanical_ typewriter, and on a good day, I can still jam it (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: URL characters
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(...) No it's not your system..:-) it's just the case of different code pages. Same extended ASCII codes used for specialized characters of many other languages at the same time. I mean what you see on the monitor when you type a special character, (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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Todd: [...] (...) Assuming we still are talking URL's, it is discouraged/invalid because there is a significant risk that people get it wrong if they type it in (which they shouldn't do). You are right that it shouldn't be necessary to rule it out (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) I'm guessing these are supposed to be letters + tildes on top. Funny thing, tho' - on my computer, which has a Hebrew + English system, I see them as hebrew letters. I've rarely seen that before - I think the only other time was when someone (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: QWERTY keyboards (was: Re: URL characters)
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(...) That's cool! I never noticed that ;-) -Shiri (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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(...) That sounds really useful! Although, as Todd mentions, would take a while to get used to... (...) Or try a hebrew keyboard. The english characters are on the same places. But when you switch the drive to hebrew, you get totally different (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 05:10:07 GMT "Shiri Dori" <shirid@hotmail.com> wrote concerning 'Re: URL characters': (...) I belive the basic hebrew keyboard configuration comes from hebrew typewriters - which had the comma and semicolon on the upper left side (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.publish)
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