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Re: Maximum depth of ldraw models?
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Thu, 7 Sep 2006 02:39:57 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Steve Bliss wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Mark Tarrabain wrote:
> > I notice that no maximum depth is given by the standard. How
> > potentially non-compliant would a renderer be if it fails because parts
> > in a model are too deeply nested (a maximum of as little as 16 on some
> > OpenGL implementations). I notice that no existing parts are nested
> > more than 7 files deep, but I want to be sure.
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> Hmm. I use MPD models a lot, there can be several levels of nesting within a
> single .mpd file, and I have been known to refer to .mpd files from other .mpd
> files.
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> I'm not sure how deep my nesting of model files goes, but I'd be a little
> concerned about a limit of 16 levels. I wonder if ldraw renderers tend to
> flatten out the nesting in part files?
I tested the performance of, and saw a decent gain from flattening part
geometry. (Perhaps 15% in BrickDraw3D for QuickDraw3D or OpenGL.)
What this means is that when a part is prepared into a drawing list, it is not a
list of calls to primitives with a transformation, but instead the primitives
are copied out and all coordinates pre-transformed, all the way down. (With the
exception of studs and changes of color.) Or, a part is created as a single mesh
with an attempt to join triangles into triangle mesh and to join line segments
into line primitives.
This can speed up rendering by eliminating a large number of camera stack
operations, eliminating duplicate vertices, and by increasing the memory cache
hit rate, at the cost of a reasonable amount of extra memory used.
Think of it as calling primitives by value instead of by reference.
However technology changes and yesterday's optimization isn't necessarily
today's.
-Erik
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 | | Re: Maximum depth of ldraw models?
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| (...) Same here for LDView. LDView always flattens part geometry, and this seems to improve performance enough to be noticed. LDView does use a display list for each part, and a nested display list for each nesting level above that (as long as you (...) (18 years ago, 7-Sep-06, to lugnet.cad.dev)
| | | Re: Maximum depth of ldraw models?
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| (...) Okay... 15% speedup is substantial... that means that it's better to pre-transform the subfiles when generating the operations for the current file. I won't worry about the maximum depth any more then. (...) How does a renderer know which (...) (18 years ago, 7-Sep-06, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Maximum depth of ldraw models?
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| (...) Hmm. I use MPD models a lot, there can be several levels of nesting within a single .mpd file, and I have been known to refer to .mpd files from other .mpd files. I'm not sure how deep my nesting of model files goes, but I'd be a little (...) (18 years ago, 6-Sep-06, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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