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here is it folks. this is my first effort with steves torus generator which i finally found :). can someone please check this and report any errors to me. thanks in advance, jonathan wilson 0 Baseplate 32 x 32 Road Curve with Road Pattern-9 Studs 0 (...) (26 years ago, 5-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dat)
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(...) Well, hey, that's not so bad -- the resulting news article was 34986 bytes. (...) Tell you what. Here's a photo of the element: (URL) photo is a bit grainy, but it is dark outside and the only easily available illumination I had was a (...) (26 years ago, 5-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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thanks for the photo... the only thing i noticed was that the white line is briken in that one but not in the one i was working from (set #6321). the piece appears to be finished and i will submit it for voting in vote99-03. (26 years ago, 5-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Say, before you submit it for voting, I have a couple more questions: Did you also notice that the curved lines look a bit choppy and that the green and white decorations seem to float below the main surface rather than above or coincident (...) (26 years ago, 5-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) yes... that is becahse of the number of quads in the output of steves torus generator. (...) rather than (...) i will look at that. regarding the baseplate problem. ldraw does not yet have the 8-stud versions. i will submit it for voting as (...) (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm thinkin' maybe the torus generator was designed with smaller parts in mind, where the coarse angular granularity is far less noticeable than on a baseplate. What other mathematical methods of generating coordinates on a circle do you know (...) (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I have to agree with Todd here. Jonathan, if the part you intend to submit for voting is the same part as posted to lugnet.cad.dat, don't bother. Just a cursory look at it makes it obvious that the part needs major repair. As Todd pointed out, (...) (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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i know that the torus generator generated part looks kind of shit but i know nothing about circular maths (trig?). steve tells me that the helipad and road curve 7 studs have both been made with the generator... have you seen those yet tery? do they (...) (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I didn't use the torus generator program on the new parts. I wrote a couple of Visual Basic routines that I used on the new pieces, which generate circular rings and edges. I've included the routines below, but I haven't done anything to (...) (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) In the absence of example, surely you still have common sense to go on? Approximating a very large circle using increments of pi/12 radians either isn't appealing to common sense or shows a lack of common sense. --Todd (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Unless you're 14 years old, that's very sad. (...) You would ask the community to lower its standards of quality rather than raising your own? --Todd (26 years ago, 6-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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JW, you really, really, *really* need to slow down... this isn't about quantity, it's all about *quality*... more and more i'm getting the impression that your goal is to have every element in the catalog ASAP, no matter what the level of (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) First of all, it's been 12 years since I last did any higher level math, my junior year in high school when I did trig. So I don't think there's any shame in not knowing (or remembering) anything about it. Then again, I don't think that (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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you are all right. this part is crap. we really need to get a decent way of making large discs,rings,not disks etc come on all you math wizzes. get cracking. (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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thanks for the vb routines. do i have your permission to package them into a utillity for the ldraw parts making community at large? i amy be writing it in delphi (converting your algorithim to delphi in the process). it will be called ldcg (ldraw (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) "Kind of" is a gross understatement. If the parts Steve sent me were done using the torus generator, then he did a *LOT* of very careful post-processing. Steve would _NEVER_ send me a part that looked like the baseplate you posted in cad.dat. (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) "Get cracking" ? Am I the ONLY one who sees a good deal of what Jonathan posts as overly demanding, if not downright rude? Did I miss something or did this whole community stop being a bunch of talented volunteers working to help each other (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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i hope my post to lugnet.cad.dat will satisfy you. it is now possibly up to voting starndard. i am sorry for being rude. but i am now learning how the whole ldraw official parts thing operates and what is expected. (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Before packaging up Steve's code or algorithm into something else (even if he did give permission to do so), wouldn't you want to make sure that you fully and completely understand basic trigonometric principles, so that you may be able to (...) (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well said. Yes, Jonathan is spoiling a lot of the fun here. --Todd (26 years ago, 7-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Looking at the latest version, right off the bat I notice that the color bleeds past the edges of the curve lines. And the color does not extend to the edge of the piece on either end of the curve. And that is just a quick look, with no (...) (26 years ago, 8-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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i am fixing all of the problems that people are telling me about. (26 years ago, 9-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Indeed, this is the real problem, isn't it. <FLAME ON> Jonathan, you are a hack. You publish garbage parts, then you rely on the goodwill and talent of others to find your mistakes. Then you whine about it, rather than thanking people and (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I couldn't agree more. Even sitting on the sidelines of this thread I can see clearly that this is nothing but bull. (...) Correct. The baseplate looks like it wouldn't even make it into a Megablocks product line. To make that much of a stink (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, it probably depends on whether it's an HTML tag or something else. I personally read it as Johnny Storm activating his Human Torch powers. Just a moment of levity. I totally agree with Todd about the more serious issues. (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Not knowing comics or cartoons (whichever..) I was not familiar with that...but sounds cool :) (...) Yes, so do I. Keep Building!! -Tim <>< (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You've seen their sites and read their posts, now see their faces: (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Of all the unmitigated gall. "Cracking"? Speaking for myself, you are a sanctimonious prig. Those of us that don't make parts (this includes you) appreciate all the effort and talent that goes into the improvement of Ldraw and it's library. (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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All, Events in the past few months has led up to the point where several typically cool-headed individuals have blown their tops. All this anger and frustration is aimed at one individual in particular, and is counter-productive. Recent lambasting (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ben, Just a side note -- it recently came to light that part of the problem in Jonathan's parts might be related to .cad.dat posting problems -- at least things like missing studs...still gathering info. This probably doesn't affect the (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Todd Lehman writes: <snip> (...) Hrmmph. Todd, I understand what you are saying, and I suppose there might be a problem with the submittal process (I've had some problems with it also you might remeber), so I'm willing to let that (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) be (...) you (...) I can see that it doesn't make up for the attitude, but that doesn't mean the attitude is unforgiveable. It is obviously your choice to forgive Jonathan or not and that is totally up to you (but is reccommended). This issue (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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i am now using the ldraw circle creator program i wrote. the laest incantations of my parts are accually looking better. (...) thanks for the idea. i think i will pick the raised baseplate first, as that is the part i have already worked on the (...) (26 years ago, 10-Apr-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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