 | | New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | Hi folks, working on and off for almost a year with Scott Wardlaw, Alex Taylor and with the help from Joshua Delahunty we put together a new LDConfig file which hopefully fills in where the old version failed: (URL) file has the following (...) (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) !
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Santeri Piippo
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| | | | | (...) SNIP (...) So it'd be goodbye for Stone Gray? :-( Well, I can live with that.. (...) Nice! :-) SNIP (...) Hmm... looking at the new colours I'd be otherwise fine sans the new Black... looks too bluish for me. (...) Well that's going to be (...) (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | (...) I don't really know what I'm talking about here, but I think there might be a big difference between the representation of RGB values in a dye based color system for bricks, another one for printing on paper, and a color system for computer (...) (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | | (...) renamed to "ldcfgalt.ldr" (...) Hmmm this would be best solved with an additional command in the file - say CATEGORY or CLASTER or whatever. Anyway, modifications to the synthax can only be applied by the LSC. (...) Good point. I'll modify the (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Allen Smith
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| | | | | | (...) I think group sub-sorting might be more trouble than it's worth. Editors can just sort the colors by Hue-Saturation-Brightness. That's what Bricksmith does. It's a simple mathematical transformation. (URL) Allen (15 years ago, 18-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) Now that's what I'm talking about! I just didn't say it right. ;) If you're not going to list the colors in ldconfig.ldr sorted by number then pick a useful ordering like Hue-Saturation-Brightness. Alphabetic order is not much better than (...) (15 years ago, 18-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (...) Each program that reads and uses the LDconfig.ldr file should know how best to display the colors. If the program shows color swaths, then it does make good sense for the program to display them in a Hue-Saturation-Brightness order. For (...) (15 years ago, 18-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) Personally I find it harder to remember all the silly names than to remember the basic colors by number. If they aren't sorted by color then I still want red, blue, yellow, black, white, and grey near the top of the list. The numeric order has (...) (15 years ago, 19-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | Oh yeah, one more thing. If you've gotta sort alphabetically, I say don't discriminate. Sort the Lego core colors in the 30000 range alphabetically too. What? You say can't do that, because those numbers mean something? How could that be? I'm gonna (...) (15 years ago, 19-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, I actually wanted to do that too in the begining. I can't remember how long we have been working on the release of this file, but it has been a long time for me. I'm not sure I have enough fight left in me to support (and drag this out (...) (15 years ago, 19-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | (...) All new color codes except 313 Maersk Blue generate errors in L3Lab and L3P because the numbers just had to be picked from the forbidden zone... :( :( :( /Tore (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) Could you be a bit more precise. What is the "Forbidden zone"? w. (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, actually there are two forbidden zones; the small at colors 29 through 31 and the large at 48 to 255. Color numbers within those ranges generate errors if used in L3P and L3Lab. In original LDraw and other really old programs, colors (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | | | (...) As far as I remember LDView does a more than decent job converting to PovRay as well as viewer so there is actually no need for L3P or L3Lab - not counting in that accordingly the L3P page (URL) supports the LDConfig.ldr file: "Colors from (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) That's very good news! Very recently I visited (URL) and there it reads: "Version: 1.3 | File size: 78.00 Kb" and links to (URL) where it reads: "NEW Read about the v1.3 20010120 release NEW". Maybe time to update some pages? I haven't checked (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | | | (...) It is the webmaster's policy that the authors submit and maintain the links to their tools and we only remove broken links. Obviously nothing hinders us to update the link for L3P at Ldraw.org but since nothing on the official page (URL) (...) (15 years ago, 30-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) That is just so not true. (...) Well then, welcome to my reality. Viewing just a small portion of Datsville on my AMD1100, for example TOWN-10.ldr, takes 1.8 seconds in L3Lab. But several minutes in LDView - if it doesn't crash. I am (...) (15 years ago, 11-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Michael Heidemann
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| | | | | | | | | (...) That is not correct. The 1.8 sec are the drawing time. If you will have a look into 'statistics' you will see that most of the time the loading will take and then 1.8 sec. for the drawing is used. So this comparison is not correct, but you are (...) (15 years ago, 11-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Did you have any suggestions for him? I did not, other than that he does not have his paths set up correctly (which was already mentioned). I do not even have LPub 2 installed anywhere anymore. Do you? If so, maybe you could help him. I'd (...) (15 years ago, 11-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I have a few comments here. First of all, if you're going to load a huge model in LDView, it's usually best to set its "Memory Usage" setting to Low (especially on old hardware). Secondly, as has been pointed out, LDView takes a lot longer to (...) (15 years ago, 11-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Eric Albrecht
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) This makes me curious as to how this Memory Usage feature works. Why would I set the memory usage to "Low" if I have plenty of RAM? What does this do for me? Eric (15 years ago, 12-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The main effect that this setting has is its control over the amount of display list compilation used. Display lists are a feature in OpenGL (the graphics library used by LDView) for drawing static objects. They convert (compile) the data into (...) (15 years ago, 12-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Eric Albrecht
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the explanation. Since my computer at work (which I am using) is a high end CAD workstation with enough VRAM to display a billion polygons, I guess I should just leave it on HIGH! On my home machine, I will probably slow it down. (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) It may be able to display a billion polygons, but it certainly can't keep a billion unique polygons in video memory. Each unique point requires a bare minimum of 12 bytes, and usually requires more than that (for color/texture info). The (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, what we are actually trying with the new LDConfig.ldr file is getting more colors into LDraw, colors people find in today’s set but not LDraw and IMHO it lowers the bar for users if the colors are consistent throughout the system. Since (...) (15 years ago, 12-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Kickin' in open doors, are you? I have absolutely no reason to disagree. (...) You are right about one thing: newer LEGO colours isn't one of my obsessions, but I may download other peoples' LDraw MOCs... (...) I'd love to, but I don't think (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | | --snip-- (...) The majority of LDraw users I know of outside LUGNET (flickr, facebook and TBB) use MLCAD and LDview for their LDraw experience. It's not a full poll and it's not a big sample but it's probably a better example of 'new users' than (...) (15 years ago, 14-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Travis Cobbs
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) The 2006-2007 LSC agreed with this also, which is why we added the part about "(needs work)" to the (URL) LDraw.org Official Library Header Specification>. --Travis (15 years ago, 14-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Orion Pobursky
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| | | | | | | | (...) No need for the vitriol Tore. (...) Yes but, as with all things, people come and people go. I, for example, am much more withdrawn than I was in 2004 since I'm on an operational submarine now and only have a limited amount of time in port. (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | | | (...) Couldn't find the word "vitriol" in my dictionary, just "vitrify". But from the context I conclude it's something like aggressive, rude, grumpy, impolite, or emotional. And yes, I admit I've been unnesessarily grumpy and I am truly sorry for (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | (...) Quality is important, but the first priority of Ldraw should always be to make it easy to create and share the models. Photo-realism is nice, to be sure, but certainly a somewhat lower priority. I'm not aware of any photo-realistic realtime (...) (15 years ago, 13-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Roland Melkert
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| | | | | | (...) I think he means the semi reserved ranges 32..63 (transparent version of 0..31) and 256..511 (dithered version of two encoded 0..15 colors). But as far I know these can be overridden by a 'normal' definition and should only be treaded as (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Roland Melkert
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| | | | | (...) <snip a lot of info> Seems like quite an undertaking. (...) My vote would go to keeping the old ldraw colors, like said else were most monitors aren't calibrated. (...) I don't know about other software but my LD4DStudio uses the config file (...) (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) This can be done with the caveat that we start with something like say 2001 or 3001 in order to preserve the original LEGO numbering starting from 1 to 300. for 2001 the TLG color number would be "#7D1". Correct? w. (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Roland Melkert
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| | | | | | (...) Indeed, basically it doesn't matter what range you use. I just wanted to point out that 'other' ranges are rounded upon hexadecimal notation (due to math advantages). So I suggested also using that for these new ldc numbers for consistency (...) (15 years ago, 29-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) So far we have much more TLC color numbers than in LDraw (Bricklink) with TLC apparently not going further than 300. Therefore a numbering starting with 3000 would be fine. w. (15 years ago, 7-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | | (...) for MLCAD use: (URL) (15 years ago, 28-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Andrew Westrate
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| | | | | Has any thought been given to anyone on how patterned parts/stickered parts are to be handled? Because there are more colors used in printed and stickered parts then there will ever be in the plastic colors that this defines. I'm not trilled with (...) (15 years ago, 30-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Allen Smith
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| | | | | | (...) Duplicated colors are my deepest concern. Below is a screenshot of Bricksmith's color picker using the new ldconfig.ldr: (URL) I can't just hide the TLG colors. For one thing, some of them don't seem to have non-TLG counterparts (like (...) (15 years ago, 18-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | | | | (canceled) —Joshua Delahunty
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | (...) So is it possible to save a version of LDView's lighting parameters so that it defaults to colors that look right when using this ldconfig.ldr file? If so, then I'd like to suggest putting some comments at the top of the file mentioning this, (...) (15 years ago, 31-Jul-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Willy Tschager
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| | | | | | (...) I used this calculator: (URL) get darker shades for the trans edges. Could you try to get a ratio that works for the trans colors? w. (15 years ago, 3-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: New LDConfig.ldr color file —Scott Wardlaw
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| | | | (...) In order to add new colors to the list easily and with some officiality, it makes good sense to follow a system like using the colors provided from the Lego company. This is what I agreed to when creating this list of colors; as I knew that I (...) (15 years ago, 3-Aug-09, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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