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Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE.
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lugnet.cad
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Wed, 19 May 2004 21:19:37 GMT
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In lugnet.cad, Kyle McDonald wrote:
> Dan wrote:
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> > Hi
> > I agree its a shame about the incomplete BFC situation. Currently I use
> > Two-Sided lighting in GLIDE you don't notice the performance hit because most of
> > the processing effort is done by the CPU at the moment. That’s what slows it
> > down rather than the GFX card. My Nvidia TI4200 recently cooked itself and I’m
> > back on an old TNT2. There is only a small difference in performance between the
> > two in GLIDE.
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> >
> That's because most of the focus in Grahics HW the past few years has
> been in texture
> and shading performance, and *not* in raw polygon drawing that LCAD
> makes so much
> use of.
This is only true to a point. As long as you have a reasonably modern video
card, its on-board geometry performance is going to far exceed the geometry
performance you could get out of the fastest CPU. I don't know how GLIDE does
its drawing, but I do know that a TI 4200 should be quite a bit faster than a
TNT2 simply because the TNT2 doesn't have on-board T&L (transform and lighting)
support.
I measured LDView on a GeForce 3 at about 15 million vertices per second. It
should do quite a bit more on a TI 4200. I'm not sure what a 3.4GHz CPU is
capable of, but I'd be very surprised if it matched the TI 4200. When I first
got my GeForce 3, it was an upgrade from a TNT2. LDView performance on a 1GHz
PIII went up by a factor of 8-10.
> We mainly have games to thatnk for that. For the most part (especially
> in fast moving
> games) it's much easier to add details to a texture on a 'large' flat
> polygon than it is
> to refine the surfaces insto seperate polygons with seperate textures.
> It's easier on
> development, and it's easier to get better performance too.
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> In our world though with oure bricks having many sides, and generally
> solid colors,
> we don't have many place to use textures. Obviously they'd be useful on
> printed parts,
> and maybe standardizing the definaition of such things will be done soon
> by the
> LDraw language standards commitee.
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> Till the Hardware Polygon speed improves, the easiest thing to do is to
> try to
> figure out which polygons in a model (not necc. a brick) will never,
> ever, be
> seen and cull them as early as possible.
Take a look at the specs of modern graphics cards, and you will see that they
have done a very good job of keeping the geometry performance up with
improvements in texturing and fill-rate. IIRC, a GeForce 3 was rated at around
25-30 million vertices per second. By comparison, the GeForce FX 5950 Ultra is
rated at 356 million vertices per second. And even though both those numbers
are marketing numbers, it seems likely they were derived in a similar manner,
and have gone up by a factor of 10 in two generations. (GeForce FX is basically
GeForce 5.)
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| (...) Possibly not the best way I could have worded it. GLIDE in its current form is inefficient. There is some redundant sorting and a lot of list iteration that the CPU does before it calls on OGL. This is the main speed-limiting factor. With (...) (21 years ago, 20-May-04, to lugnet.cad)
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| (...) That's because most of the focus in Grahics HW the past few years has been in texture and shading performance, and *not* in raw polygon drawing that LCAD makes so much use of. We mainly have games to thatnk for that. For the most part (...) (21 years ago, 19-May-04, to lugnet.cad)
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