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| | | Brickshelf L.L.C. Telephone: (703) 961-1408 (URL) IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 22, 2002 Brickshelf L.L.C., a Virginia Limited Liability Company has aquired the Brickshelf.com website from it's founder, Kevin M. Loch. Brickshelf.com is a popular online (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.announce.brickshelf) !!
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | Before anyone gets too excited about this, no money changed hands in this transaction. This is a necessary part of the conversion from a "hobby" site to a commercial site. While it would have been nice to run it as a hobby site forever, the immense (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general) !
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck finding a new one. (...) Tasteful, IMO, is as small as possible (1x1 pixel!), but I know that isn't an option. I'm sure you'll figure something out...just don't use pop-ups. (...) So, um, how many people are (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Mike McKee
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm terribly sorry to hear that. I have been facing a similar plight for about a month now. Best wishes for future success and thanks for all your work on the site. Regards Mike (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) Wow...sorry to hear that Kevin. :( (...) Sounds cool!! (...) Eww... I'm sure you hate having to do this. Have you considered other options, like subscriptions to upload images to the member gallery? From what I understand, banners don't pay (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | RE: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Bram Lambrecht
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| | | | | | | | | (...) IMO, the main great thing about Brickshelf is that it is free. It allows just about anyone to share their LEGO pictures. But, if membership fees are necessary to support the site, then perhaps you could use membership to turn off banner ads, (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | (canceled) —Amy Hughes
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Ray Sanders
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) A few days before the change at BrickShelf, I happened to be looking at the server stats. IIRC, the daily usage from the prior *day* was something like 25GB of traffic. Most hosting sites stop quoting at 100GB/month, so extrapolating from (...) (23 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) You hit the nail right on the head. The hosting does cost thousands of dollars per month. That had been subsidised entirely by my employer (who also used the bandwidth, rack space and servers). This new situation (employer trying not to go out (...) (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This in mind - I don't think there is a legal issue with charging for the service of making copyrighted material _available_. The same as the POV license saying you can include POV on a CD so long as what you charge for the CD covers your (...) (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Grant Giandonato
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| | | | | | | | | | | | "Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in message news:Gs45GF.2s2@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) like 25GB (...) extrapolating (...) messed (...) free (...) dollars (...) used the (...) not to (...) How about selling directly to LEGO? I wonder if (...) (23 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kerry Raymond
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) A lot for an individual, but presumably chicken feed for TLG, since I assume the people who use brickshelf are some of TLG's best customers. While I wouldn't mind TLG paying to run brickshelf, I'm not sure I'd like them to run it themselves, (...) (23 years ago, 28-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) What is wrong with banners, per se? I've got a banner ad that I'm going to be running in various places, are you saying that you'd have an issue with that banner being seen on BrickShelf if Kevin and I came to terms on pricing and impressions? (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kyle Beatty
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I have no problem with banner ads myself. I've even accomodated myself to the MASSIVE ads that Yahoo has put in place. The reason that I don't mind is because I can tune them out. Having a fast connection helps bcause the time wasted (sorry, (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Shiri Dori
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) If I could choose one thing to *keep* in brickshelf, it would be this option (outside linking). It allows making elaborate pages on lugnet as well as accomodating large sites. IMHO it is one of Brickshelf's biggest advantages (only, perhaps, (...) (23 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Personally, I prefer banner ads, as long as they're not obtrusive pop-up windows, and obviously not pr0n sites. Then I have the choice whether I click or not. ROSCO (23 years ago, 24-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Ralph Döring
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| | | | | | | This is like going back to the dark ages ! Your website is on my top5 list of websites. I stop by nearly every day to see what great new MOCs people have build. Your webdesign and the webinterface for uploading galleries are simply great. I hope (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Torsten Fresemann
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Kevin Loch writes: [...] (...) That's a great shame. However, please confirm you are not actually planning on charging fees for downloading scans provided by many Lego fans around the world? The suggestion that people pay for (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Contrast with GPL. The fee charged would not be for the information itself, but rather for the access to it ("duplication cost")... (...) Not at 5 a month each it isn't, I don't think. That may be a bit high for the market. (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Thomas Avery
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| | | | | | | I'm sorry to hear this. I wish you good luck in finding a new job soon, Kevin. Brickshelf is an invaluable resource in the online Lego fan community. I'd hate to see the instruction and catalog scans gone forever. You have my total support for (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Scott E. Sanburn
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| | | | | | | Kevin & All, (...) That is too bad, I have been through it a few times myself. : / Good luck on your future employment endeavors. (...) Although I know most people seem to *hate* advertising, I understand this, and hopefully if there are products I (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Nicole Drumm
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| | | | | | | "Kevin Loch" <kloch@opnsys.com> wrote in message news:Grx8Mr.vv@lugnet.com... (...) site (...) site (...) in (...) Sorry about the loss of your job Kevin. (...) products (...) I would rather pay a subscription fee that have popup ads. If you must (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Jim Schifeling
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| | | | | | | Let me say I hope that running this as a business pays off for you. As a small business owner myself I know the delight and aggravation of ownership. I will start by putting my money where my mouth is by adding to my contribution to Lugnet funds. (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Mark de Kock
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| | | | | | | (...) Too bad. I hope you can find a (paying) job soon. (...) Banners? Uh-oh... as long as you don't do pop-ups. (...) I hope you can work something out as A) we need those scans and B) Phone operators from TLC have been directing customers to your (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Melody Brown
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| | | | | | | | (...) :( sorry to hear that. Here's hoping you get another one real soon! :))) (...) Do what ever you have to, so everyone can still continue to look through your site like in the past. You could always come up with membership packages, like include (...) (23 years ago, 23-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | (...) I am sorry to hear that, but hopefully normality will be resumed in a short while. I wish you the best finding a new job! If the changes will keep the site alive in this time of difficulty, bring'em on. (...) Given the Fact that LEGO itself (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | Kevin, I'm sorry to hear you have lost your job. I hope this new venture works well for you. You have been a great service to the AFOL community, and I'm sure that that is one thing that won't change. Good luck Scott A (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —John Henry Kruer
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| | | | | | | (...) What type of merchendice? Bags and clothes, Lego(R) related item? Also, what other types of action will be taken? Will we have to pay to use Brickshelf(tm)? What type of company is this, anyway? John Henry Kruer (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Tobbe Arnesson
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| | | | | | | Kevin, I hope your employment issue finds a fast and good resolution and I really appriciate what you have done for the AFOL community this far. Thanks a lot! I hope you did not loose the job because they finally "got on" to you officially with the (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | Kevin- I'm terrifically sorry that you lost your job, but I (like others) know full well that even that won't keep you down. It was pretty obvious some time ago that Brickshelf couldn't stay free forever, so that part wasn't exactly a shock. For (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Troy Cefaratti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Limited Liability Corporation I believe. Troy (23 years ago, 23-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Bob Parker
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| | | | | | | | (...) Minor correction - it's Limited Liability Company, not Corp. - Bob (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —John Barnes
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| | | | | | | Wow Kevin - I'm sorry to hear about the job situation. I'm sure you'll find something soon. I know there are opportunities around and you're bound to luck into one sooner or later. As far as Brickshelf goes, I'd support a membership fee or storage (...) (23 years ago, 23-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) Seems to be a disease going about at the moment 8?( I hope I don't catch it... (...) Another related consequence is the sudden disappearance of the icon I have on my Lugnet page, namely (URL) this icon (and the various other versions) (...) (23 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yes: (URL) (23 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Mark Chittenden
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| | | | | | | The saddest part of all this, for me, is the 'loss' of the Instructions scans. Do you think it might be possible to release them on CD's? I would imagine the sale of the (discontinued) instructions would help pay for the site - provided of course (...) (23 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kevin Salm
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| | | | | | | | (...) Releasing instruction scans on CD's would be neat. Perhaps a good legal way to do this would be to give the CD's away FREE but have a high shipping and handling charge of $15.00 - $25.00 for the first CD and $10.00 per disc thereafter, for (...) (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) I agree, if BrickShelf starts popping up adds, I won't be browsing BrickShelf very often. (...) BS wouldn't be very useful to me if all it did was collect the images. (...) Hmm, interesting idea. I would certainly like to see people be more (...) (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Ray Sanders
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| | | | | | (...) <blue_sky_wishful_thinking> What would be nice, would be if TLC picked up the banner ads for the catalog and instruction scans. After all, those items are TLC's original IP and there would be no issue of 'appropriateness'. In fact, seeing (...) (23 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Mike McKee
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| | | | | (...) Please, Please, Please, get the instructions & catalog scans back on line somehow! I love browsing them, and being able to look up long lost instructions from sets I had way back in childhood was a determining factor in ending my dark ages. If (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Nick Crocco
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| | | | | I sorry to hear.... Well, whatever happens, you have thousands of supporters that'll make sure to keep to site alive. Thanks for everything you have done for the community! ~Nick www.swatonline.org (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —John Grubber
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| | | | | Sorry to hear about the job thing Kevin, i hope things go well in the search. As for the site, since it is a non-hobby site now, does that affect ownership of images/designs in peoples galleries at all? Not taht i have one, but i thought it was (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Kevin Loch
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| | | | | | (...) The Gallery TOS has not changed (except for the name of the company). Uploaders still own their own content. KL (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Bruce Hietbrink
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| | | | | Kevin, I'm really sorry to hear about your job situation. I hope you find a new position soon. As to ads, please consider banners rather than popups--those can be so annoying. But banners don't bother me. I'd also be happy to pay a user fee for (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —William R. Ward
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| | | | | | (...) As someone who has experimented with banners on some of my sites, they don't pay well. On a small scale it's virtually impossible to find anyone who will pay per-click; they have to have an actual sale result from the click. This reduces (...) (23 years ago, 22-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Gary Thomas
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| | | | | Lugnet, Brickshelf, Peeron, and Brickbay should all merge. They're pretty much the 4 pillars of the Lego community. Best of luck to you, Gary (...) (23 years ago, 24-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: Brickshelf L.L.C. —Matt Hein
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| | | | Aw, man! How did that happen? I was hoping to get a few scans to rebuild my No.6897 rebel hunter set, but when I came by this post, I found out it's going to be a while before I get it back into one piece. Oh well, hope you find a way to get back on (...) (23 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.general)
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