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Re: Compromised Functionality on Lugnet and Brickshelf?
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lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.admin.suggestions
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Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:05:16 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
   In lugnet.general, Shaun Sullivan wrote:
   Brickshelf seem to have undergone major practical changes in the last few weeks a months, many of which have seriously jeopardized their utility (in my opinion).

Seriously jeopardised?

Again - in my opinion - yes. Lugnet has already been besieged by some serious challenges in the past 18 months, most of which were natural and forseeable consequences of a community that loved its small-village feel enough that it did everything in its power to expand it into a booming metropolis (population-wise), with all of the anonymity, white noise, and questionable accountability that entails 1. There are dozens, if not hundreds of people who used to use Lugnet as their primary resource and who are now migrating to smaller (small-town-feel) forums, and only checking Lugnet sporadically. Making something as important (to some of us) as the spotlight column functionally questionable gives some people even less reason to stop by regularly. From a sheer numbers standpoint this may not have a big impact, but I’ll contend that further discouraging some of these long-time core members DOES seriously jeapordize what Lugnet has to offer to a great many people.


   It’s not the only thing that matters, no, but posts to .announce.* and in particular, posts to announce.moc get an upweighting, and posts to .admin.* and .off-topic.* get a downweighting. That was spoecifically in response to user concerns about non LEGO creation posts getting far too much prominence in the spotlight.

That seems reasonable ... but doesn’t address whether un-reviewed (and unreviewable) posts should make it into the spotlight column.


  
   I do not consider today an isolated instance, either – several times in the past few weeks I’ve found spotlighted items which I imagine a general consensus would indicate do not belong on the list.

Can you give examples? Ore are you referring to MOC announcements that don’t have any weighting yet?

I see no value in pointing to someone’s MOC, of which they may be proud, and using it as an example of a creation I don’t view as spotlight-worthy. Suffice it to say that through the current scheme I feel the the emphasis has shifted from a “noteworthy” or “exceptional” spotlight to a “most recent posted creations” spotlight.


  
   Is there any easily-accessible summary or explanation for either of these changes? Note that I’m not interested in sifting through long threads that have 200 or more posts to them, for I consider that quite inaccessible.

There isn’t necessarily a capsule summary of why the spotlight function weights were adjusted, no, (sorry!) but I think you can find discussion of it in a thread of far less than 200 posts.

Right. Alternatively I can sift through 20 threads of 10 posts, providing I put in the appropriate search criteria to begin with. By “easily-accessible summary” I’m picturing something like a page of revision descriptions, a log of changes to the interface ... you know, a timeline that’s kept current by the administration to indicate to curious users how and when functionality has changed, and perhaps to communicate the rationale.


   I’ve set the FUT on my post (and forcefut your post’s FUT) to just admin.general. In particular was there a specific suggestion that you were making? If there was and I missed it, please feel free to drop me (or any admin) a mail, or reply with FUT set back to .suggeestions, so I know to add the specific suggestion to the list.

My specific suggestion is to read my post, evaluate whether there’s any information that may be useful to you (i.e. the administrators) or the community, and if so run with it.

Alternatively I could say:

“I recommend disallowing any non-peer-reviewed posts from the spotlight column.”

and

“I recommend a detailed revision page to document changes to the site functionality and/or administration.”

both of which are formalized expressions of some “wishlist items” that I believe were pretty clear from the original post. If not I apologize, but there’s still some inherent value to raising questions or concerns without the constraints of presupposed solutions.


   I’ll make sure the rest of the admins see your post and if a more formal, more official, post is warranted, one will be made.

Appreciated.

.s

1 No value judgement intended - different strokes for different blokes, and a larger bandwidth certainly has its own advantages.



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  Re: Compromised Functionality on Lugnet and Brickshelf?
 
(...) That's not really actionable, sorry. At least not for me anyway. (...) Great suggestions. However, they weren't clear to me, no... That is, they didn't jump out at me AS SUGGESTIONS at all. I've asked that posts that should be tracked as (...) (20 years ago, 13-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
  Re: Compromised Functionality on Lugnet and Brickshelf?
 
(...) Point taken. There are a number of issues that LUGNET is struggling with, but this certainly is one of them. (...) Left that dangling... I agree that it doesn't. Personally I think it might be desireable to not consider posts that didn't get (...) (20 years ago, 13-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)

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