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Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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lugnet.admin.nntp
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Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:32:25 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, Eric Kingsley writes:
> > * Move lugnet.trains.org to lugnet.org.train/ltc/etc., and move
> > lugnet.castle.org to lugnet.org.castle, and move lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw
> > to lugnet.org.cad.ldraw (or something)? Why or why not?
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> Now this is what I am interested in. I was actually just thinking about how
> annoying the current structure is with LUG's grouped together but all the other
> groups spread throughout the rest of the subgroups.
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> Their are a couple of issues in that some of the orgs that you mention arn't
> regional orgs like .ldraw and .cw so a .loc feel to the group doesn't make
> sense. I would hate to see the .org groups move under the .loc hierarchy. I
> think that would be a mess and much of the cross-organizational talk that now
> occurs would be lost.
Do you mean the kind of cross-org talk that happens in groups like
lugnet.org and lugnet.org.xx, or the kind that happens when someone from one
org posts in another org's group? I don't see a reason why lugnet.org
couldn't and shouldn't still be around for cross-org talk.
> [...lots of good brainstorming snipped...]
Along the lines of .org and .loc collisions, here are other thoughts that
have been brewing in my head for the past week or so...
I still worry about the length of the newsgroup names and the number of
levels (depth) of the overall hierarchy. Every .org or .loc that appears is
another four characters to type. Every name component in a newsgroup is an
extra click down the tree. We don't have a plain old lugnet.loc group that
covers the entire world, so the biggest advantage of having the .loc
hierarchy is for easy filtering and searching in the .loc areas...but I
think that's kind of overrated.
I'm entertaining the idea that ".loc" could be removed from all such
newsgroup names. In other words, "What If?"
If we did that, we could have _very_ simple newsgroup names like:
lugnet.au
lugnet.us
lugnet.us.ma.bos
lugnet.uk
On top of that, doing away with "loc" in the name automagically does away
with the strong meaning of "local" / "location" / "locality" and leaves the
namespace more flexible for more organic growth.
Axing the .org hierarchy as well (but keeping lugnet.org itself) and moving
the regional LUG groups withing their respective lugnet.xx country-based
hierarchy would also help the alleviate confusion we currently have in cases
like lugnet.org.us vs. lugnet.loc.us.
Thoughts? (If you generally don't like the idea, please think about the
advantages versus the disadvantages for a couple days before responding.
If you generally do like the idea, please speak up now and say what you
like or don't about it.)
--Todd
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| (...) I like this, but it would be important that they were all presented together on the web page so that it was obvious they were similar in nature. (...) OK, so where will .nelug (for example) sit? If you slap it under .us it's too broad an (...) (24 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
| | | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| (...) <snip> (...) No knee jerk reactions but I just wanted to clarify something in terms of the orgs and how they fit into this hierarchy. For example would NELUG fit into the hierarchy as lugnet.us.nelug or would it be something different? I have (...) (24 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
| | | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| (...) Some disadvantages: - On browsers which present the newsgroup list as a hierarchical tree, it's nice to just skip the whole .loc hierarchy - An alpha sort of the newsgroups won't keep the loc groups together In fact, I've actually been (...) (24 years ago, 15-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
| | | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| Sorry this is quite a bit more than a couple of days. I guess we all got a bit distracted by our other discussion... (...) I guess as long as a lugnet.org group remains I am not to worried about this. (...) That sounds like it might be a little bit (...) (24 years ago, 20-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| | Re: Newsgroup structure: some tough decisions
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| (...) I like the idea for all of these although I can see quite a bit of crossposting between .debate and the other 2. Maybe these groups should have restricted cross-posting? I.E. No cross posting at all or the only crossposting would be allowed if (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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