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In lugnet.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.general, Geoffrey Hyde writes:
> > Now hold up a sec! Whilst I agree with Todd, berating Benjamin over
> > something he has no control over won't actually accomplish anything.
>
> Benjamin may not have control over what mailer his employer uses, but he
> certainly has control over whether or not his messages appear threaded.
> If he posts using software that works correctly, his messages will appear
> threaded. If he posts using software that works incorrectly, his messages
> will appear broken. I'm not berating Benjamin and I'd don't think Larry
> really meant to, either -- just stating facts.
I beg to differ on this...I have NO control over whether messages appear
threaded...The software I use is MS Outlook. From this, the message goes to a
MS Exchange server. It is this that causes the problem. Unfortunately, this
piece of software is run on a server that isn't even owned by the company I
work for, but by the company that our company works for. [And I've tried
including the References header item in the past, but the server doesn't pass
it...]
Further, I believe that it has been stated that our company's policy's are
wrong...For a company that has little to no need to use the internet, I see no
problems with not having it (though I would like it). True, many companies do
allow employees to access the net from their workstations, but having that
ability in some companies doesn't mean all should do this.[1] In fact, by
giving employees access to a non-essential service [that's right...most
companies probably SHOULDN'T give internet access to workers, unless it is
100% necessary] they're promoting lower work standards, as a worker who's
using the internet unnessesarily isn't helping the company, or being
productive. [And I'm not going to quit just because I'm more-or-less cut off
from lugnet...I'll just have to be more discerning over the value I place on
lugnet [WRT the amount of time I can actually USE it] as opposed to other ways
I can "invest" the money. (no offence Todd, but if I have little chance to
make use of the site, then I can't REALLY claim I've got all that much reason
to support it further financially. (But I will try and find reasons.))]
>
> > He has stated, previously, that he has no control over what the server
> > admins do on their machines, and I seriously doubt he'd give up a
> > high-paying job just because of restrictive practices stopping him from
> > properly threading replies through his work address.
>
> He also stated, previously, that he is able to post from home. It's only when
> he posts from work that things show up broken.
And I have little-to-no time to use the internet while at home...
>
> > I am quite sure, that Todd could make changes to the incoming message parser
> > that would enable Benjamin to post from work and appear properly threaded.
> > What those changes entail, however, I have no idea - it may simply be too
> > difficult or time-consuming for Todd to work on.
>
> It would be a complete waste of time (although, as a programming challenge,
> it could certainly be a very interesting kluge). But the bottom line is that
> it's just not worth worrying about. It makes much more sense overall to
> simply detect and reject broken junk (which should never be presented for
> posting in the first place) and leave it up to the user to find a way to get
> the right software that works properly.
Actually, I believe that the threading feature isn't even a Mail header item.
From what I understand, it is a NEWS headder item, and so the mail server at
work actually runs correctly providing headeer info, while most others use non-
standard mail headers...So which should be bounced from a system accepting
mail posts, the one with the incorrect header that allows threading messages,
or the one with the correct header info, and no threading?
>
> > Of course, if Benjamin would tell us where to email concerns about his work
> > posting style becoming disruptive to the rest of the newsgroup, and that
> > something should be done about it, maybe that would help things somewhat.
> > [...]
>
> The only clean and proper solution is to have the server reject messages from
> mailers that don't put the 'References:' header in. I should have done this
> long ago. :-/ Benjamin is not the only person running the broken software --
> I found a few odd messages from a handful of other people. It's disasterous.
Therefore, I've more-or-less been prevented from using lugnet to post messages
[and not just replies, which I've tried to avoid as much as possible in the
past.] :(
[1] As some countries call for free trade while subsidising their own
industries/farmers, whilst others actually DO try to provide free trade and as
a result suffer at the hands of those who want everything THEIR way, without
trying to be fair...
Benjamin Whytcross
bwhytcro@pacificaccess.com.au
> --Todd
>
> [followups to .admin.nntp & .off-topic.geek]
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