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Re: Just look what ratings did to Slashdot!
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Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:54:20 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Chris Busse writes:
> While I'm not particularly interested in directly weighing in on the debate
> raging over Lugnet's rating system, I will take the time to say this:
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> Look carefully at how rating (they call it Moderation) has affected the
> Slashdot community. (http://www.slashdot.org).
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> If I get any of these details wrong, please feel free to correct me:
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> They have a system in place where more senior/active users are assigned a
> given number of points to moderate forum posts up or down, as well as bestow
> adjectives like "Interesting" or "Insightful" to the posts each day.
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> Users can then set a Threshold to filter out posts that are under a certain
> rating level. This can, in some cases, be a good thing (keeps you from having
> to read messages from all the trolls about Natalie Portman and hot grits).
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> Users who's posts often get high ratings earn Karma, which allows their new
> posts to automaticly have a higher rating.
I have a major problem with their concept of karma, which is why LUGNET's
article ratings system doesn't give higher precedence to any particular
posters.
> The problem comes in when the moderators use their moderation points to
> further their personal agendas, effectively acting as censors against those
> who share views they do not agree with (ie. Anyone saying that a given
> Microsoft technology is superior to a Linux technology.)
This is why anyone (any member, that is) can rate anyone else's article at
LUGNET. I hate the idea of moderation points -- it's supposed to make things
more fair, but I think it makes things less fair.
> This often causes a quater to a half of the discussion thread to devolve
> into an argument as to why certain posts did or did not receive a higher
> rating.
Wow, I usually read Slashdot at a threshold of 3 or 4, so I haven't noticed
that. Half, really? Yikes. (I pick 3 or 4 to limit the number of articles,
not necessarily on the quality of the content -- it just gives me typically
the top 20 out of 600 rated messages there.)
> Censorship == A Very, Very Bad Thing
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> While Lugnet does not (yet) have this type of filter in place, one could
> only imagine that if the ratings were kept it would just be a matter of
> time before that gets added as a feature,
No way -- not like the way Slashdot did it.
> or people begin to (if they don't already) use
> the ratings to filter in their heads, without giving much thought to it (it
> would just become habit).
But this is actually a GOAL of the rating system -- that people have this
choice if they're limited on time. Being able to offer this choice is a GOOD
thing, not a bad thing. IMHO.
--Todd
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> Just my thoughts,
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> Chris Busse
> http://www.bussetech.com
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| (...) Agreed; it's a bad idea -- ref. especially the "karma whore" phenomenon. Instead of actually thinking about something, people are very quick to try to post something that _looks_ insightful to the moderators, for the sole purpose of inflating (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
| | | Re: Just look what ratings did to Slashdot!
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| (...) Okay, a half might be a bit of an exaggeration, but on posts that are more general topic (ie Free Speech, Kids in High School, esp. politics) the bickering about moderation can be very intense. This doesn't happen as much on the uber-geek (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| While I'm not particularly interested in directly weighing in on the debate raging over Lugnet's rating system, I will take the time to say this: Look carefully at how rating (they call it Moderation) has affected the Slashdot community. ((URL) I (...) (25 years ago, 21-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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