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Re: MSIE5 better but still buggy (was: Re: Why MSIE sucks for the HTML writer)
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lugnet.admin.general
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Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:50:26 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> Doing some testing with MSIE5 under Win98 under Virtual PC under MacOS9...
> Replying to my message from last night...
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> In lugnet.admin.general, Todd Lehman writes:
> > [...]
> > One of the bugs, for example, is that MSIE puts extra whitespace _past_ the
> > border of a hyperlink image with a nonzero border. That is, it correctly
> > draws the n-pixel border in <A HREF="..."><IMG BORDER=n ...></A> but then it
> > also ridiculously adds _another_ n-pixels of border around that. :-/
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> Fixed in MSIE5. Yay!
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> > Another bug is the way the leading is handled between <UL></UL> and <P> in
> > MSIE. (I can't remember the exact details, but NN got it right.)
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> Not sure about this yet.
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> > Antother (this one extremely braindead) bug is that MSIE sometimes likes to
> > break lines of the form "foo&foo;foo" at the entity boundary. *WAY* wrong
> > thing to do when the entity is ® or © -- or worse when it's a
> > European letter.
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> Fixed in MSIE5. Yay!
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> But it looks like there's a new "oddity" ("it's a feature, not a bug!"):
> MSIE5 likes to do word-breaks on ASCII hyphens. This is fine for things
> like "fan-created", but it's pretty dumb for things like "e-mail" and "5-
> minute" and:
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> Member Since: 19-
> Nov-1999
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> Oh well, it's nowhere near as bad as what happened before with
> <SMALL><SUP>®</SUP></SMALL>...
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> > Another totally braindead UI problem (maybe they've fixed this recently?)
> > is that MSIE will stop loading a page if you click a link in it and the
> > link's target is a different window -- i.e., something that happens very
> > commonly on framed pages.
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> Fixed in MSIE5. Yay!
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> > Yet another totally braindead MSIE problem is multiple-select lists with the
> > <SELECT> tag. If none of the <OPTION> items within a <SELECT> have the
> > SELECTED attribute, MSIE is its infinite wisdom decides to auto-select the
> > first item for you! Wonderful. So you have to add an empty foofoo item at
> > the top if you're serving pages to an MSIE browser, if you don't want
> > anything selected by default. (Perhaps MS has fixed this bug by now.)
>
> Still broken in MSIE5! Bummer.
Why do you consider this difference in behavior between the two browsers to
be "broken" in IE5? Obviously, I can make the reverse argument and say it
is "broken" in Nav. Neither browser is going to change this behaviour, it
will break compatibiliy.
The fact is, IE5 has the best parsing engine with the most features and is
extremely extensive. I have complete control over the object model,
positioning, attributes, properties, and styles. Nav is laughable in this
area.
The entire argument on this thread is quite interesting, but it appears that
everyone agrees on the following point. The quality of nav has been
decreasing since version 3, wereas the quality of IE has been increasing since
version 3. "Forcing" you to support the version 3 browsers. HaHa.
Mike Stanley:
"Not sure what that has to do with IE3/4/5, but if I were responsible for
administering publicly available systems (what a surprise, I am) I'd stick
with NN 3.0 (were I able to make that choice) for performance and stability
issues more than anything else."
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"Anyone running IE3 needs to get a clue anyway, and move on up."
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Todd Lehman:
"Mabye so. But what if they're stuck at a library? All the libraries I've
been to around here, for example, still use Netscape Navigator 3.0 and refuse
to upgrade to 4.0 because of security issues."
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> Works on MSIE 4.0 for Windows (98).
"Great!"
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> Just tried that on IE5 and the searches worked fine. Entered the value and
> pressed enter.
"Thank gawd. Finally."
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Let's see:
IE3 was released in 1995
IE4 was released in 1997
IE5 was released in 1998 or 1999 (can't recall right now)
So your beef is with a product that is 5 years old. Get real!
I can go on and on.
--
Asher Kobin
asherk@microsoft.com
Internet Explorer Test
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