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Re: Are you missing news-by-mail digests/forwards?
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lugnet.admin.general
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Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:04:23 GMT
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Geoffrey Hyde <gDOThyde@bigpondDOTnetDO&spamcake&Tau>
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"Gereon "Jerry" Stein" <jerry@lugnet.com> wrote in message
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> In lugnet.admin.general, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
> > One issue I've had in the past with, as an example, has been posting to
> > the
> > lugnet.robotics newsgroup, and then getting spammed by the recipient
> > whenever the lugnet news article cannot be forwarded to someone who has
> > an
> > overfull mailbox in vacation mode bouncing messages to me.
>
> This is usually due to recipients not caring about the "reply-to" field.
> As a
> subscriber, you can select whether the posts you receive via email should
> include the original poster or rather the newsgroup-address in the
> reply-to
> field. The latter should prove safe enough.
The problem is that I post via the web and don't want to receive ANY posts
via email, I prefer the newsreader client to do that.
> OTOH, I do not completely get your point, as auto-replies to
> email-forwarded
> posts should only be directed to the From- (= Original poster) or Reply-To
> address, but never to all recipients of the forwarded posts. If you are
> receiving bounces, those should thus only be bounces relating to your own
> posts
> forwarded to other subscribers.
I strongly disagree here, I should *not* be receiving posts forwarded to
other subscribers. I can't DO ANYTHING with them, except report them as
misdirected bounces, which they certainly are! And I certainly don't need
copies of my own posts!
> If you are in doubt about this, feel free to forward me example messages
> of such
> bounces, so I can try to dig into the subject. There is no functionality I
> could
> possibly disable per se.
I'm not suggesting you disable functionality, just modify it so that LUGNET
admins get to see the bounces and not me. This is often caused by mailboxes
on vacation.
> > I report these misdirected bounce emails as spam, as there's nothing at
> > all
> > I can do about them. And I don't want to receive them. LUGNET needs to
> > show itself as the authenticated from, sender, and reply-to adresses on
> > all
> > mail to news gateway emails if they wish to prevent these misdirected
> > emails
> > from coming to my inbox.
>
> I can understand you in this regard, however looking at established
> mailing list
> functionality, it is not possible to completely do so. The original poster
> needs
> to remain in the From field at the least, since otherwise LUGNET would
> have
> written (and thus be responsible) for something it didn't. (A network
> hardly can
> write anything at all on its own).
Unfortunately, this changed when LUGNET allowed people to subscribe via
email to newsgroups. LUGNET therefore became the "original poster" (really
it should be the "original archiving server") since it does two things:
1. Store my original posts so others can download them from the news
server. It's technically a mailing list managed by a server. Mailing list
spam that one does not wish to receive can and will be reported as spam.
I've got enough spam to worry about without LUGNET bearing down on me with
more misdirected bounces.
2. Forward them onto other posters - this is formed by someone requesting
news-by-mail setup to a newsgroup or newsgroups. What that means is that
LUGNET is acting in a capacity as a news-by-mail server, and therefore
admins of the server need to show they are willing to accept the
responsibility of bounced emails (misdirected bounces as I stated above) and
to handle any/all actions that concern them. I definitely should NOT be
receiving misdirected bounces, as they will be treated as spam.
> > I'm hoping the LUGNET admins can fix the problem with messages being
> > forwarded incorrectly so that they can deal with the problem overfull
> > mail
> > box, and leave me in peace.
>
> I have seen a number of mail bounces in the past, and they keep coming
> in - to
> the correct "Reply-To" address. This is intended, because if they keep
> coming
> in, we can force unsubscription.
I would much rather see preventative action that prevents me from receiving
copies of my own posts which I've already posted. If LUGNET is not going to
do this, servers which misdirect bounces to me can and will be reported.
If you are going to make me the original poster and still forward messages
from newsgroups, you need to separate out the message itself from the
headers, currently, as it is setup, messages are simply forwarded with me
left as the original sender. What should happen is that I should get listed
on a completely separate line as a part of the body of the message, not in
the headers. This would prevent me from getting bounced emails at all yet
still allow the recipient to email me if they so desired.
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
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| (...) Okay, it appears I misunderstood you to that extent. Sorry about that. Then again, the issue is still, that mailing lists as a standard use the original From: address (which is you) but change the Reply-To field to the mailing list itself. I (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) This is usually due to recipients not caring about the "reply-to" field. As a subscriber, you can select whether the posts you receive via email should include the original poster or rather the newsgroup-address in the reply-to field. The (...) (18 years ago, 23-Jun-06, to lugnet.admin.general)
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