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I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
hotmail address to boot.
2) His homepage (once translated with babelfish) is decidedly non-Lego.
There are some legoish links but these all wind up in a stock Tripod
shopping page.
3) Those big silver wheels...I'm planning to use these in a MOC of my own
soon. I got the idea from Ben Fleskes' SP&S 700 engine
(http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1857/700.htm). Make those
wheels black and chrome the rims (which is, I admit, a neat trick in itself)
and see if you don't have a match.
4) Yeah, it's a bad angle, but that round tile atop the 4460 looks
suspiciously like the imperial logo tile used in the Tie Fighter.
5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
building with no interior access?
6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
sections?
7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
reassembled.
Now, having said all that....
THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
pictures of these creations.
Will
Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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Will Hess wrote:
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> Will Hess wrote:
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
>
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
Jeff
P.S. For the Calender Impaired, tomorrow is April 1st. :)
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"Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> writes:
> Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
I find it quite a bit strange if someone went to _these_lengths_ to
make an April fool's joke, and didn't even get the date correct! ;-)
True, it may have been April 1st in New Zealand when it was posted,
but certainly not in Germany!
And why didn't he post it to RTL as well?
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Fredrik Glöckner writes:
> "Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> writes:
>
> > Hey, Frank! Check your calender. What's tomorrow again? ;)
>
> I find it quite a bit strange if someone went to _these_lengths_ to
> make an April fool's joke, and didn't even get the date correct! ;-)
This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
tomorrow...
Jeff
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> This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
> tomorrow...
>
> Jeff
So should the finger pointing start ... ?
I point to ... :
The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become concerned
at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to do
something about it”...
-- pn ;)
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Pawel wrote:
> I point to ... :
> The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become >concerned at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to >do something about it”...
Nope, nothing to do with us (assuming you mean we might have produced
this hoax train page) and our announcement itself is not an April Fool
either (in case that was what you meant).
Kevin
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In lugnet.trains, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> > This could just be the set-up, with the obligatory "April Fool's!" comming
> > tomorrow...
> >
> > Jeff
>
> So should the finger pointing start ... ?
>
> I point to ... :
>
> The Guild of Bricksmiths[tm], a “band of LEGO Fans who have become concerned
> at the dearth of high quality kits available and decided to do
> something about it”...
While we're capable of work this good, or better(1), it would be coming from
me, based on our current guild membership, and I don't do eurotrash. Even old,
cute eurotrash. I also don't hack on bricks (which would be necessary to do the
wheels) and our graphics guy, while insanely great(2), isn't good enough to
doctor images to this level (scanner flaws and all!)
So no. The GoB is very real but this is not our work. We also would never ever
claim that it was TLC created, (but let me go review our disclaimers), we'd be
trumpeting it as our own. We don't violate TLC copyrights and trade dress.
Wait. We'll be topping this. Just wait.
1 - no false modesty necessary
2 - he *is* a mac guy so I think insanely great fits...
++Lar
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> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Perhaps the person who did all this is convinced that he / she can create
models that are on par with or better than "official" releases. All this
hubbub would then serve to affirm this persons belief.
Awww...that's too psycho-babblish! Someone just wants to have fun at the
world's expense. Still...I'm gonna copy those pics to my hard drive before
thy disappear too :-) Such inspiration!
Will
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> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
Plus ... a pack with only three track pieces in it? What is this ... "Train
Polybags"?
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
Because if it wasn't for those annoying kids they would have gotten away
with it! Let's give Jeff his Scooby Snacks:) I think they might have done it
as a self-challenge for themselves. I wonder if they would have gotten the
same analysis if they didn't post so close to April 1st ... Plus, some people
have a sick sense of humor, no?
-- pn
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> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead, if this is a hoax, when it is finally put in
> the grave, we will all just end up viewing the creator with disdain (of
> course he could have stolen some pictures of someone elses creations and
> doctored them into a fake LEGO add).
would MOCs get *this* much attention? :)
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In lugnet.trains, Jennifer L. Boger writes:
> would MOCs get *this* much attention? :)
If they were this good? Almost but not quite.
++Lar
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Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:38E4EAB0.5358@mindspring.com...
> Will Hess wrote:
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
> Ooh, good point. That may be the strongest evidence yet of a hoax.
>
> There is still one other problem I have, why would someone this capable
> of model making feel the need to create a hoax to get attention? If
> these same models had been posted as MOCs, we would be singing praises
> to their creator, instead,
Larry and other bricksmiths,
If this is a hoax, I think you have found a new guildsman that could
generate a ton of sales!
Mike Poindexter
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In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
<snip>
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it looks
to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
-Andy Lynch
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> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
>
> I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it • looks
> to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
I just blew these up in my image editor and can say with certainty that the
three most obvious cuts are:
1) perpendicular (sp?) to the rail, and
2) in the exact same place for all three track parts!!
Will
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Will Hess wrote:
>
> > > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > > reassembled.
> >
> >
> > I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it • looks
> > to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> > scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> > rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> > horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
>
> I just blew these up in my image editor and can say with certainty that the
> three most obvious cuts are:
>
> 1) perpendicular (sp?) to the rail, and
> 2) in the exact same place for all three track parts!!
Additionally, it looks like the jag in the left rail is due to the
perspective on the picture of a regular piece of track resulting in a
size difference when the track is shortened (it even seems like the jag
may be a bit more pronounced on the 1/4 track sections as compared to
the 1/2 track section).
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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Andrew Lynch wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> <snip>
> >
> > 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> > sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> > reassembled.
>
>
> I am not an expert on either trains or any of this other stuff, but it looks
> to me that the spots that look like cuts may be "jaggies" introduced by a
> scanner. I have seen similar effects produced on my own (cheap) scanner
> rather frequently. My argument is that the "cuts" appear to be exactly
> horizontal to the scanned image, and not across the track itself.
>
> -Andy Lynch
True - magnify the image, and you see that the jaggies are only across ONE side
of the track, and even the shadow is shifted a bit. I could do a better job of
"shortening" track in PSP if I really felt the need to. In fact, if someone
will scan a piece of track at the same angle as the ones shown in 4465 and send
it to me, I'll prove it ;-)
--
| Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp
| Please do not associate my personal views with my employer
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In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
>
> 1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
> hotmail address to boot.
I won one of this guy's auctions of old bricks a few months ago. That's his
real name and the hotmail address is the one he uses to do his auctions. I
don't think that he would use all of his real info to pull a hoax on LUGNETers.
Gloria.
>
> 2) His homepage (once translated with babelfish) is decidedly non-Lego.
> There are some legoish links but these all wind up in a stock Tripod
> shopping page.
>
> 3) Those big silver wheels...I'm planning to use these in a MOC of my own
> soon. I got the idea from Ben Fleskes' SP&S 700 engine
> (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1857/700.htm). Make those
> wheels black and chrome the rims (which is, I admit, a neat trick in itself)
> and see if you don't have a match.
>
> 4) Yeah, it's a bad angle, but that round tile atop the 4460 looks
> suspiciously like the imperial logo tile used in the Tie Fighter.
>
> 5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
> thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
> brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
> building with no interior access?
>
> 6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
> minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
> sections?
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
>
>
> Now, having said all that....
>
> THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
> pictures of these creations.
>
>
>
> Will
>
> Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
> www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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In lugnet.trains, Gloria Summers writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Will Hess writes:
> > I'm afraid that I must go with the hoax theory. Here's why:
> >
> > 1) This appears to be Paul Rutenberg's first ever Lugnet post, and he has a
> > hotmail address to boot.
>
> I won one of this guy's auctions of old bricks a few months ago. That's his
> real name and the hotmail address is the one he uses to do his auctions. I
> don't think that he would use all of his real info to pull a hoax on
> LUGNETers.
>
> Gloria.
If it is an April Fool's joke, then he might (I probably would in his place).
I certainly wouldn't hate him or anything for this, if it is, in fact, his own
hoax. I'd kinda admire him for being able too fool so many people for an April
Fool's joke. :)
Jeff
BTW, Jenn Boger pointed out to me that Lego has never made a train in a single
bland color like the 4450. Even 7725 had a little variety in its roof, and was
made in a somewhat lively color. :)
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Will wrote:
> 5) Look closely at the stations door. For starters, it will never open
> thanks to the arch that straddles it. There's also the little matter of the
> brick wall behind the door. When has TLC ever created a minifig scale
> building with no interior access?
I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a Lego
plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows and
doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
>
> 6) Those fences on the station are nifty, but when has TLC ever (in the
> minifig era) built a fence out of real elements vs. using prefab fence
> sections?
>
> 7) Take a very close look at the rails on the half and quarter track
> sections. You can clearly see the spots where they were cut and
> reassembled.
>
>
> Now, having said all that....
>
> THESE ARE GREAT!!! I hope the builder treats us to more (and better)
> pictures of these creations.
>
>
>
> Will
>
> Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services
> www.crosswinds.net/~hokie
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> I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a • Lego
> plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows • and
> doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
That's my impression. The entire setup (which can be interpreted any way
you wish :-) appears to be rural, as the rolling stock features a horse car
and a pair of nice looking tractors.
Will
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Wow-
Check out the light grey treasure chest and a new bench...pretty interesting
to see old parts come alive...
-jeremy
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In lugnet.trains, Gloria Summers writes:
> I have to say, you are right about the station. It does not look like a Lego
> plan. It looks homemade and funky with the flat roof, and small windows and
> doors. Is it a station meant for a countryside setting?
Note that the map is from the 1996 police station(I think)
Alan
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