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In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> Hello
> Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis is
> a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
>
> A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> Paul
If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
Why would we see a leak in German first?
Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
sets?
Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
Well, I guess that digital trains are aimed at an older audience who would
appreciate these models.
But I am surprised there is not a modern hi-tech, hi-speed european train in
there like TCV or Eurostar
I want this to be true as a train fan, but april 1st is too co-incedental
Would not be surprised by 'april fool' post from Paul Rutenberg
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
promotion.
> Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
>
> Why would we see a leak in German first?
These are all the same question.
>
> Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
> sets?
Yes. 3225 recently. most of the 12V line in the farther past.
> Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
> juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
Because they got a clue? That's what I am hoping for, anyway... I want to give
them the benefit of the doubt, that if we whack them over the head enough
times, eventually they get it.
They realized that train heads spend more (per head) than anyone else and if
there is a place for adult specialty marketing, trains is it. This, after all,
is what we have been telling them in these forums, and more importantly, behind
the scenes (from as high as the office of the president of the NMRA) for at
least a year now.
I could be wrong. *IF* this is a hoax, it's a cruel one. And one that took a
lot of work.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Paul Rutenberg writes:
> > Hello
> > Look at following link, about time we get something before the USA, gtfthis • is
> > a scan of of upcoming sets for Lego end of the year, YEAHHHHHHHHH:
> > http://members.tripod.de/legoit/herbst2000.html
> >
> > A happy 9V Trasin Collector and builder
> > Paul
>
> If this is a prototype, why is it in German?
> Wouldnt the danish do it in Danish first, or at least english?
>
> Why would we see a leak in German first?
>
> Any history of sets coming out in Germany before anywhere else? Or German only
> sets?
In my opinion, yes. In 1981, I eleven years old on a Europe trip with my
family. We were in Germany, soon to travel to Denmark to visit LEGOLAND,
Billund. In Germany, my family went to a toy shop where I saw the 7820 red
Mail Waggon. Knowing that we would soon be in LEGOLAND, my parents opted to
wait to get me any LEGO train sets until then. Poor choice, for LEGOLAND had
not yet received any of the gray-track 12v trains at all. Germany was first to
get them. Don't know if toy shops in Denmark got them before LEGOLAND, or not.
We reasoned that "normal" retail toy outlets may get them first due to wider
market availability. Or, that perhaps LEGO considered Germany a "better"
market for sales. Dunno.
> Also, given recent train history with lego, focused on more modern, stylisted,
> juniorised trains, why would they revert to seniorised old sets?
> Well, I guess that digital trains are aimed at an older audience who would
> appreciate these models.
> But I am surprised there is not a modern hi-tech, hi-speed european train in
> there like TCV or Eurostar
I'd like to see this type of train, too. As long as most of the "new" models
are German, perhaps the ICE-3. I have mulled that design over for months. The
nose of the ICE-3 is just TOO sleek for any design concept my pidly brain can
imagine. But, that's the challenge I love, so I don't know if I'd want to see
an entire dedicated one-specialized-piece to build the front of an ICE-3. Then,
again, if there were, I'm sure I'd buy it....
later,
James Mathis
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> writes:
> Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> promotion.
It's also a promotion for the Verkhers- und Technikmuseum in Berlin
(if it is real, that is). There is a reference to a contest on the
first scan. It should be easy to ask either of them to verify if it
is real. Of course, if this is still a "secret" (the images are
leaked) then we may not get an answer.
I still believe that the scans are real. We've seen promotional
leaflets before which fail to match LEGO's normal layout.
If someone hoaxed this, they must suffer from intense boredom! (And a
lot of LEGO building talent!) ;-)
Fredrik
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> promotion.
Could this in itself be a problem that Lego wouldnt not want to encourage? i.e
the sets are too German.
By that I mean too localised (nothing specific against the Germans I would
like to point out).
If lego want to sell sets on the world stage woulnt they want to produce sets
more like the recent stylised ones that are at least neutral the world over,
rather than modelled on country specific trains.
Building detailed replicas of your countries trains seems sensible for a MOC,
but unless you are going to produce a big range of trains, like the model
train companies do, then wouldnt you go the opposite direction so it has
universal appeal? For example, do you see the US lego train clubs modelling US
rolling stock or UK rolling stock? Would they even know what UK rolling stock
looked like?
To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
something off DB that I have never seen.
But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
train enthusiasts will buy it.
regards
lawrence
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> >
> > Trains are designed in Germany. 3225 was. If this is for real, it is somehow
> > connected with a DB (Deutsches Bahn, the German nationalized railways)
> > promotion.
>
> Could this in itself be a problem that Lego wouldnt not want to encourage? i.e
> the sets are too German.
I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
- Germany has the highest per capita brick consumption with 95+% or some such
households with kids having TLC products.
- Germany is a large market (almost 1/2 the US size), one of the wealthiest in
the world, and one of the most self indulgent
- Germany has more model railroaders per capita than anywhere else
- German model railroad companies, and there are a LOT, seem to do better with
"classic era" models (1900-1960 or so) than they do with modern era.
- the last two TLC train designs (not counting 3225 which was a "special") have
been superduper high speed jobbies and have flopped. Now, we know why, because
they aren't that good. But try convincing an exec of that. Doing a classic
design may have been easier to sell.
Rightly or wrongly, TLC ignores the US market now. It isn't positioned to move
track and accessories in the mass market. But properly marketed, these items
will have a high take rate among hobby shops who TLC has ignored. Many US hobby
shops have a large (25%) component of non us prototypes. This is especially
pronounced in G scale where LGB is dominant.
> To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
> they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
> highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
> see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
> something off DB that I have never seen.
To be honest, modern euro passenger does nothing for me. Too boring, too
similar. Seen one TGV you've seen them all. Yawn. But I like freight. Old time
euro passenger at least is "cute".
> But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
> train enthusiasts will buy it.
I am visualising a GG1 built using the red boxcab drive components already. So
heck yes, bring them on.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains, Lawrence Wilkes writes:
> In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek writes: • <snip>
> Building detailed replicas of your countries trains seems sensible for a MOC,
> but unless you are going to produce a big range of trains, like the model
> train companies do, then wouldnt you go the opposite direction so it has
> universal appeal? For example, do you see the US lego train clubs modelling US
> rolling stock or UK rolling stock? Would they even know what UK rolling stock
> looked like?
I don't agree one bit. While I might not know what UK train rolling stock
looks like, (but I do,) that would not deter me one bit. For any new train
enthusiest in Lego Train, anything you can get your hands on is a good thing.
>
> To be honest, whilst I like the detail that seems to be in the new sets (if
> they are real) they do nothing for me as trains. I would have much preferred a
> highly detailed, accurate Eurostar model for example, cause thats something I
> see regularly in real-life and think what a great model it would make, not
> something off DB that I have never seen.
Maybe I want some of the romance of an Oriental express type train and model
type. If not, the great thing about Lego is redesign. I can redo it.
> But I suppose begars cant be choosers, and whatever it looks like, then lego
> train enthusiasts will buy it.
We are beggars. We have been for years. I've practically cried looking for
Lego train at TRU for the past 5 years, (until this last year). They could
make something in that nasty cyberslam green for all I care, as long as it has
train trucks under it. I'd use it eventually for something.
>
> regards
> lawrence
Rich
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
I'd also add that German prototypes probably have the most world
recognition from a model perspective because of the dominance of the
German model railroad industry (for example, most people, myself
included, commonly refer to G scale as LGB instead). It is true that
both the US and the UK have strong model railroad industries, but how
much of that stuff is on the shelves of stores in other countries?
--
Frank Filz
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I think that most all of the first-round of gray-track 12v era sets were
modeled after German trains. The 7745 red/black/white 12v passenger train
broke the mold in year 1987(?).
Recognition and target product to the primary audience would be my guess for
general marketing.
Just enjoying the photos, hype, discussion, and anticipation...
:-)
I'm having fun. Almost more fun than building. ;-)
later,
James Mathis
In lugnet.trains, Frank Filz writes:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > I see your point but I would point out the following items to ponder:
>
> I'd also add that German prototypes probably have the most world
> recognition from a model perspective because of the dominance of the
> German model railroad industry (for example, most people, myself
> included, commonly refer to G scale as LGB instead). It is true that
> both the US and the UK have strong model railroad industries, but how
> much of that stuff is on the shelves of stores in other countries?
>
> --
> Frank Filz
>
> -----------------------------
> Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
> Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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