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Gentlemen,
Since the new castle has arrived in Oztrailya this week, and I have found
myself rather enamoured with the little soldier dudes (the good guys), and
the king, I will need some details before I can include them in my little
nook of the Legoverse.
It seems to me that the King of England, around the 12th century sometime,
was going over to France for some exceedingly important reason, got caught
up in some sort of temporal rift (I mean they happen all the time in Trek,
why not the English channel, what?), and ended up arriving in 19th century
Port Block. Obviously the garrison, being at the service of the King of
England, would, in reasonably short order, find themselves at the 12C king's
disposal. You never know, the king might even commandeer every ship he can
find, and sally forth to Great Brickain to claim his birthright. Are you
ready for this Tony? Imagine what the nineteenth and twentieth centuries
might have been like if England had been under the command of a 12th century
house.
Hey hey, this could be fun.
In any event, I am hoping someone can date the attractive headwear of the
new little soldier dudes, and make a pithy suggestion or two as to a bloody
strong king of the period (and by that I mean strong and bloody - I don't
need any .generals to go dumping on me about swearing again ;-) I know I
could ask over in castle, but I fear I might be deluged with detail, and
lets face it, my histories are not long on officially sanctioned detail. I
find the odd fact here and there to be ample.
That's probably a lesson for life actually.
Any thoughts?
Richard
Still baldly going...
Check out Port Block at http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port/
Note the change in URL - Port Block is moving (to new and larger
accommodations)
Do adjust your set.
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Richard Parsons wrote:
> In any event, I am hoping someone can date the attractive headwear of the
> new little soldier dudes,
You're in luck. According to my sources, that type of helm was in use
for several centuries. Let me check my notes...
Yes, here it is. The type of helmet seems to be a 'chapel de fer' -
literally, an 'iron hat', with an attached mail coif to protect the
back of the head and the neck. They were worn from the 12th century
well into the 17th, so you have a nice large period of time from which
to choose your ruler.
> and make a pithy suggestion or two as to a bloody
> strong king of the period (and by that I mean strong and bloody - I don't
> need any .generals to go dumping on me about swearing again ;-)
> I know I
> could ask over in castle, but I fear I might be deluged with detail,
Muahahaha.... - .castle has come to you!
J
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Richard Parsons (<FpJow5.5Ho@lugnet.com>) wrote at
05:42:38
> Gentlemen,
>
> Since the new castle has arrived in Oztrailya this week, and I have found
> myself rather enamoured with the little soldier dudes (the good guys), and
> the king, I will need some details before I can include them in my little
> nook of the Legoverse.
>
> It seems to me that the King of England, around the 12th century sometime,
It's prob. more likely in the C14th, but I believe you may be talking
about King Edwin the First, Who Didn't Turn Up. King of England and
Normandy, claimant to the French Crown.
> was going over to France for some exceedingly important reason, got caught
> up in some sort of temporal rift (I mean they happen all the time in Trek,
> why not the English channel, what?), and ended up arriving in 19th century
> Port Block. Obviously the garrison, being at the service of the King of
> England, would, in reasonably short order, find themselves at the 12C king's
> disposal. You never know, the king might even commandeer every ship he can
> find, and sally forth to Great Brickain to claim his birthright.
But, but, that might mean civil war!
Little LEGO dudes strewn across the beaches at Brickton.
Riots in Brixton and Brickingham.
The setting up of a Blockish parliament at Edinbrick and dissolving the
Union.
Think carefully before engaging in this course of action :-)
> Are you
> ready for this Tony?
'We shall fight them on the beaches!'
> Imagine what the nineteenth and twentieth centuries
> might have been like if England had been under the command of a 12th century
> house.
>
> Hey hey, this could be fun.
But a lot of figs may get hurt along the way.
>
> In any event, I am hoping someone can date the attractive headwear of the
> new little soldier dudes, and make a pithy suggestion or two as to a bloody
> strong king of the period
It's mid-late medieval. Henry V comes to mind, or see above :-)
--
Tony Priestman
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In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> Gentlemen,
>
> Since the new castle has arrived in Oztrailya this week, and I have found
> myself rather enamoured with the little soldier dudes (the good guys), and
> the king, I will need some details before I can include them in my little
> nook of the Legoverse.
>
> It seems to me that the King of England, around the 12th century sometime,
> was going over to France for some exceedingly important reason, got caught
> up in some sort of temporal rift (I mean they happen all the time in Trek,
> why not the English channel, what?), and ended up arriving in 19th century
> Port Block.
Little known fact, there is an entire series of "bermuda triangle" areas around
the world. Including one in the South Pacific.
Obviously the garrison, being at the service of the King of
> England, would, in reasonably short order, find themselves at the 12C king's
> disposal.
There would be an incredible amount of chaos if an antique ship flying the
ancient standards were to drag into port. They wouldn't know the flag signals,
and would probably be fired upon under the assumption they are some of those
wicked Frenchmen trying to trick the stalwart soldiers of the King. The
official language of diplomacy was French at that time.
Once the survivors are picked up from the harbor, they would probably be thrown
in the closest madhouse as insane.
You never know, the king might even commandeer every ship he can
> find, and sally forth to Great Brickain to claim his birthright. Are you
> ready for this Tony? Imagine what the nineteenth and twentieth centuries
> might have been like if England had been under the command of a 12th century
> house.
How about this? They find a small archipelago, conquer the Natives, and
attempt to build an Expeditionary Force. Once they have it built, they sail
about trying to locate the Brickish Isles. Not having a map makes it a lot
harder (and funnier) as they encounter merchantmen (who would think they are a
bunch of loonie pirates), pirates (who would think they were loony merchies).
Sooner or later they will have to "aquire" a more modern ship to make it more
of a challenge, and that leads to a whole new opportunity for comedy as they
try to learn to sail a modern warship.
Finding it more fun to be lolloping about on the high seas Piratin' an all,
gives us the one, true Pirate King carving a new Empire out of Polynesia.
> Hey hey, this could be fun.
You are correct! Great fun, boundless opportunities for the classic "Fish out
of Water" tales. And buckets of blood over the gunnels.
Yo Ho, Yo Ho
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In lugnet.pirates, Lance Scott writes:
> In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > Since the new castle has arrived in Oztrailya this week, and I have found
> > myself rather enamoured with the little soldier dudes (the good guys), and
> > the king, I will need some details before I can include them in my little
> > nook of the Legoverse.
Thank you gentlemen, helpful as always. Special thanks to Jeff Johnston for
dropping in.
At this stage I'm thinking Richard II (1367 - 1400)
http://obriencastle.com/RichardII.html
He seems to be in the zone, rather bloody, and have disappeared (hey hey)
under mysterious circumstances at a young age.
The only Edwin I can find is a bit early (600s), and I have just never liked
Henry V.
Regards
Richard
Still baldly going.....
Check out Port Block at http://www.hinet.net.au/~rparsons/port
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Richard Parsons (<FpLDEK.60t@lugnet.com>) wrote at
03:23:08
>
> The only Edwin I can find is a bit early (600s)
Oohhh!
You wanted a *real* king.
Well, I quite like the sound of Edwin Who Didn't Turn Up, so he may well
turn up in a castle in Great Brickain somewhere.
--
Tony Priestman
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Hi,
Lance Scott wrote:
> In lugnet.pirates, Richard Parsons writes:
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > Since the new castle has arrived in Oztrailya this week, and I have found
> > myself rather enamoured with the little soldier dudes (the good guys), and
> > the king, I will need some details before I can include them in my little
> > nook of the Legoverse.
> >
> > It seems to me that the King of England, around the 12th century sometime,
> > was going over to France for some exceedingly important reason, got caught
> > up in some sort of temporal rift (I mean they happen all the time in Trek,
> > why not the English channel, what?), and ended up arriving in 19th century
> > Port Block.
During the 12th century, an English king would likely be going to France to oversee
his kingdom/squabble with the other vassals of France or to engage in a Crusade.
The Angevin Empire really flourishes in the 12th-14th centuries, and at one point
it contains nearly half of modern France. (However, the English king remains a
nominal vassal of the French king--this becomes important later, when Henri IV
wants to eject the silly English pig-dogs. He achieves it by outmanoeuvering the
English through feudal custom.)
> Little known fact, there is an entire series of "bermuda triangle" areas around
> the world. Including one in the South Pacific.
>
> Obviously the garrison, being at the service of the King of
> > England, would, in reasonably short order, find themselves at the 12C king's
> > disposal.
>
> There would be an incredible amount of chaos if an antique ship flying the
> ancient standards were to drag into port. They wouldn't know the flag signals,
> and would probably be fired upon under the assumption they are some of those
> wicked Frenchmen trying to trick the stalwart soldiers of the King. The
> official language of diplomacy was French at that time.
Not really. The official language of diplomacy was Latin until the height of
the reign of Louis XIV (about 1680, really). French was, however, the language of
the English court until the mid-14th century, and it was still expected to be known
by educated aristocrats. However, this was also true of Latin.
In fact, this might be even worse than merely French--they might think it's a party
from the Vatican, come to bring the Anglicans home. ;)
> Once the survivors are picked up from the harbor, they would probably be thrown
> in the closest madhouse as insane.
Their English would certainly be much gibberish--the English of the immediate
post-Norman kingdoms was such a pastiche that even Caxton didn't standardise
it--until well after Shakespeare, you still had communities on opposite sides of
the same hill who could barely understand each other. (Even today, you
occasionally run into people who can tell where a local English person is
from--down to the *street*. It was--and sometimes is--that specific.) So the
King's English in this period, well, it isn't; and the English he might speak is
going to be very sketchy and not nearly as colourful as that of his sailors.
However, the fellows at Port Block would be hard-pressed to recognise either
language as English (and they would likewise have difficulty). Only swear words
would be common. The universal language--the tongue of the gutter!
> You never know, the king might even commandeer every ship he can
> > find, and sally forth to Great Brickain to claim his birthright. Are you
> > ready for this Tony? Imagine what the nineteenth and twentieth centuries
> > might have been like if England had been under the command of a 12th century
> > house.
>
> How about this? They find a small archipelago, conquer the Natives, and
> attempt to build an Expeditionary Force. Once they have it built, they sail
> about trying to locate the Brickish Isles. Not having a map makes it a lot
> harder (and funnier) as they encounter merchantmen (who would think they are a
> bunch of loonie pirates), pirates (who would think they were loony merchies).
>
> Sooner or later they will have to "aquire" a more modern ship to make it more
> of a challenge, and that leads to a whole new opportunity for comedy as they
> try to learn to sail a modern warship.
>
> Finding it more fun to be lolloping about on the high seas Piratin' an all,
> gives us the one, true Pirate King carving a new Empire out of Polynesia.
There's another possible trajectory here, and one that plays into the piousness and
Latinness of the English kings of the 12th-13th centuries: The Crusades. The
first call, IIRC, was 1095; so it pretty much spans the entire period.
How about the Crusades and the search for Prester John's kingdom? All you need is
some high-stepping Duke or Prince (or King if you prefer) to show up at Port Block
assuming this is the powerful Christian nation of Prester John. All of the signs
would be there--mighty forces, great riches, a wonderful climate, strange machines,
Christian icons, and a strange yet familiar speech not wholly unlike their own.
These would be the allies a pious English king would seek to help liberate the Holy
Land! Alternately, the Polynesian/Micronesian/Minifignesian natives might be seen
as "allies of the dread Saracen," entirely to their surprise, and subjected to the
depradations of this odd fellow out of time until the hardies of Port Block can
find him and take him out of circulation.
Just a thought--time travel in any direction is always problematic in a storyline.
Truth be told, I'd most clearly believe the "insane asylum" model of dealing with
this fellow; many people who claimed to be historical personages (Napoleon XIV,
"They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha Haaa", anyone?) and who had a great deal of
knowledge--sometimes including period speech--were committed and sedated. However,
showing up with a ship and possibly a Royal Seal thought missing for centuries
might stir some interest. How about if part of the story is getting this King back
to where and when he belongs--because he has a history *after* the time he
vanishes?
Otherwise, sic gloria transit mundi...
best,
Lindsay
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On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Mr L F Braun (<389FD5D2.E6A0A53D@pilot.msu.edu>)
wrote at 08:37:38
<snip lots historically accurate stuff>
>
> Just a thought--time travel in any direction is always problematic in a
> storyline.
> Truth be told, I'd most clearly believe the "insane asylum" model of dealing
> with
> this fellow; many people who claimed to be historical personages (Napoleon XIV,
> "They're Coming to Take Me Away, Ha Haaa", anyone?) and who had a great deal of
> knowledge--sometimes including period speech--were committed and sedated.
My thoughts.
>
> However,
> showing up with a ship and possibly a Royal Seal thought missing for centuries
> might stir some interest.
But not in a small Australian outpost, I wouldn't think, unless there
was an expert in English history on hand. Which there very well may be,
given that the place has a propensity for talking parrots.
> How about if part of the story is getting this King
> back
> to where and when he belongs--because he has a history *after* the time he
> vanishes?
That sounds like a challenge for captains Sheridan or Sinclair.
>
> Otherwise, sic gloria transit mundi...
Is that HMS Gloria?
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Tony Priestman
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