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rtlToronto15: Deep Yellow
Toronto Public Library
Lillian H Smith Branch
January 31st, 2004
http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/events/lego/lego-013104/lego-013104-rules.html
Hi guys,
Got some time over the holidays? Have a burning desire to try your hand at Lego
robotics or attempting a tough new challenge? Consider yourself invited to build
for rtlToronto15 this January!
rtlToronto, a group for Lego Enthusiasts in the Greater Toronto and Southern
Ontario Area, is presenting rtlToronto15, our 13th Lego robotics challenge.
Intended for advanced and entry builders, this event features two games:
a) Deep Yellow, where robots play the classic children's game, Connect Four,
against each other autonomously. The robots handle scanning the gameboard,
analyzing where to move using game theory, then dropping the actual pieces like
real players.
b) Marble Sorting v4, intended for new competitors, with robots collecting,
sorting and returning coloured marbles to a home base.
Teams are already starting to build their robot entries for this contest.
So, come join us in sunny Toronto, Ontario, Canada on Saturday, January 31st,
2004, and start building!
Calum
rtlToronto Organizer
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote:
> http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/events/lego/lego-013104/lego-013104-rules.html
The diagram included in those rules still doesn't indicate how wide the common
airspace is. I don't need more than about an inch to the side of the board...
but others may have larger apparatuses, and I need to know how far to clear off
at the side...
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Michael Purvis wrote:
> In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote:
> > http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/events/lego/lego-013104/lego-013104-rules.html
>
> The diagram included in those rules still doesn't indicate how wide the common
> airspace is. I don't need more than about an inch to the side of the board...
> but others may have larger apparatuses, and I need to know how far to clear off
> at the side...
I've been proceeding under the assumption that the common airspace is all the
area the board sits in. So, the 34x22 area must be cleared when the turn is
over.
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Michael Purvis wrote:
> > In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Calum Tsang wrote:
> > > http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/events/lego/lego-013104/lego-013104-rules.html
> >
> > The diagram included in those rules still doesn't indicate how wide the common
> > airspace is. I don't need more than about an inch to the side of the board...
> > but others may have larger apparatuses, and I need to know how far to clear off
> > at the side...
>
> I've been proceeding under the assumption that the common airspace is all the
> area the board sits in. So, the 34x22 area must be cleared when the turn is
> over.
Correct.
In this diagram, it's the area NOT covered by the red or green shaded areas:
http://peach.mie.utoronto.ca/events/lego/lego-013104/lego-013104-sketch.jpg
The ring of bricks is also considered part of common airspace--we decided on
this before.
Calum
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I read the rules but had a couple of questions still:
1) what colour is the rest of the playfield (i.e. neither the black nor
white corners)?
2) what size are the corners? 8x8, the same as the maximum sobot size?
3) What is the anticipated marble density (or the total count/16 sq ft)?
4) does the colour selection have to be automated (programatic) based on
the start square, or can it be manually set up prior to the run?
Hoping to get in this one...
-Rob A. (now living in St. Catharines)
Calum Tsang wrote:
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> b) Marble Sorting v4, intended for new competitors, with robots collecting,
> sorting and returning coloured marbles to a home base.
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Rob Antonishen wrote:
> I read the rules but had a couple of questions still:
>
> 1) what colour is the rest of the playfield (i.e. neither the black nor
> white corners)?
> 3) What is the anticipated marble density (or the total count/16 sq ft)?
Dave, you need to answer these. I'll get them online once you post an answer.
> 2) what size are the corners? 8x8, the same as the maximum sobot size?
Yes. I think the rules state this. Dave should probably post a photo of the
game board which we can put online.
> 4) does the colour selection have to be automated (programatic) based on
> the start square, or can it be manually set up prior to the run?
I think this one I can answer: Either way is fine. I think some were really
smart and ran an autocalibration every start anyways, or you can have two
programs.
> Hoping to get in this one...
> -Rob A. (now living in St. Catharines)
That's great! (participating) I was wondering where you disappeared off to, you
seemed like such a good fit for the group!
Calum
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Rob Antonishen wrote:
> I read the rules but had a couple of questions still:
>
> 1) what colour is the rest of the playfield (i.e. neither the black nor
> white corners)?
The playfield can be seen on this page--
http://sparky.i989.net/spy.htm
The electrical tape in the center will be removed. If this isn't good enuf, I
will paint the field a medium grey a few weeks before the show.
> 2) what size are the corners? 8x8, the same as the maximum sobot size?
The corner squares will be approximately 8 inches by 8 inches--one corner is
white, the other corner is black. The robot doesn't have to be placed so the
entire 'bot is insode the square--if your 'bot is 8x8, you can place it facing
the other corner, whoich would place parts of your 'bot outside the coloured
square. That said, the marbles collected must be directly over the coloured
square. The marbles can be inside a hopper on the 'bot, but they must be, when
viewed directly above, be inside the perimeter of the square.
> 3) What is the anticipated marble density (or the total count/16 sq ft)?
Depends on how many marbles Calum has :) I don't have any marbles at this
time--Calum has all my marbles!
> 4) does the colour selection have to be automated (programatic) based on
> the start square, or can it be manually set up prior to the run?
Entirely up to the 'bot builder--from a 'game playing' pov--the 'bots are placed
in their corners at the beginning of the match--randomness will decide which
corner. When the event co-ordinator (or a peon thereof) says start, the
competitor presses 'Run'. If the 'bot runs program 1 because it's on the black
square, or runs program 2 because it's on the white suare, or the program
analyses what square it's on and finds marbles of that particular colour, is
completely up to the builder.
>
> Hoping to get in this one...
>
> -Rob A. (now living in St. Catharines)
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> Calum Tsang wrote:
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> >
> > b) Marble Sorting v4, intended for new competitors, with robots collecting,
> > sorting and returning coloured marbles to a home base.
Other notes--I think the 'rulz' page says 3 minute bouts--at exactly 3 minutes
your 'bot must stop wherever it is, either by programming or by the stop button
on a LEGO Mindstorms remote. If at 3:01 your 'bot drives onto the 'home'
square, the marbles collected don't count.
(Not that I'm going to be watching this particularly closely, just saying rulz
is rulz--3 minutes to find, collect and bring home :) )
Dave K
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Calum did a great job getting the rulz up--thanks!
Clarifications--if you wanna use more than 1 RCX, or an RCX and a Scout, or an
RCX and a Microscout, or any combination thereof, to an unlinmited degree--hey,
knock yourselves out. The entire 'bot, must fit within 8x8 though. As Calum
stated, as well, no external processing help!
As well, your 'bot must be 8x8x8 when the event runner says 'go!' .00002
seconds after the bout starts, however, your 'bot can be as big as it wants to
be--again, with no outside additions or influence.
What else... Oh, we must talk of anti-x times and basically trash anyone who is
not building a marble 'bot or who is participating in that wussy yellow
thingy...
:p
Dave K
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