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Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms"
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Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:57:44 GMT
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In lugnet.mediawatch, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.mediawatch, Jason Rowoldt writes:
> An adult movie is a movie that contains adult content.
"Adult content" is a ludicrous phantom. It is a code word for anything that
biggotted right-wing Bible thumpers want to excise from society in order to
"protect" the ignorance of children.
> Sex is an adult topic.
No. Sex is a topic. It is an appropriate topic for anyone who has sexual
urges. The very nature of having such feelings is indicative of the
appropriateness of the topic. Exploration, discussion, education and thought
about sexuality are critically important for anyone with sexual feelings. Six
year olds _should_ be having appropriate exposure to sexual topics.
> Gay sex is definately an adult topic.
No it isn't. It is just another topic. And even if a person is heterosexual,
they may explore homosexuality to some degree and they should be encouraged in
that pursuit. Learning is good.
> Here's the deal, Jason. You are on a very slippery slope. Perhaps today you
> may offer movies that are only slighty racy with a touch of sexual innuendo.
> But as times progresses, the level will only increase. Before you know it,
> you will be in over your head with junk.
This may well be true. But there is some point when the law will dictate what
can and can not be included in such a site. Also, Jason may well chose to
censor some works if and when such a time comes. Why not let that happen ad
hoc rather than get in a twist over it now? The stuff that you're frothing
about is so incredibly mild.
> I'll explain. I'm just wondering *why* the NYT would want "more adult movies"
> created from a child's toy such as LEGO.
Because it is an interesting juxtapositional use of media. It makes people
think and it's entertaining. And as much of the past avant garde had proven,
in time it will seem trite. So just let it run that course and we'll all be
done with it.
> To me, if a LEGO film cannot be safely
> seen by a child, it really shouldn't be made.
Do you really believe that a scene in a depicting masturbation is worse for a
kid to see than beheadings? If so, why? If not, why aren't you bitching about
the 90% of brickfilms that are violent instead of the 2% that are vaguely
sexual?
> But our society thinks it's a
> hoot-- would you gladly accommodate them? Maybe you can explain to me the
> rationale behind such films. Having MFs swear, or copulate, or murder, or do
> drugs, tell dirty jokes (you get the idea) just doesn't seem right.
The rationale is that there obviously exists a market. Why isn't that good
enough?
> We are adults playing with a child's toy. I think it is wrong to turn it into
> some kind of "adult thing".
Why?
> > > Maybe you should do what adult sites do and require some adult
> > > ID check before people can enter your site. That would be the
> > > responsible thing to do.
> >
> > Well, since you have not watched any of the films, again I must
> > say .. for what?
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> And again I respond: To keep them away from children's eyes.
Which children? What ages? Why does age matter? What is magic about the xth
(18th?) birthday that one day a world of media was "too much" for you and the
next it's just fine? That's absurd. People should decide for themselves what
is appropriate for them.
> Even if 95% of your site is okay with kids, what good is that if 5%
> of it isn't? Regulate it, or better yet, simply refuse to post
> movies of questionable content. What is so hard with that?
Maybe he doesn't see the 'question' that you imply with the phrase
"questionable content." I know I don't. None of what I saw is _really_
top-notch healthy stuff for kids. And aside from all the Jesus references in
Girl, it seems like one of the most appropriate movies on the site that I saw
(in my admittedly small sample) and he warns against it as adult in theme.
> Why do you feel the need to present such material? Because you
> don't want to be seen as a....*CENSOR*??? It's your site; you
> can do whatever you want with it. Period.
Right! That's what he's doing. He's linking to movies about a variety of
topics. Good for him!
> The world will say, "Don't compromise!", but in fact life is full compromises.
> Compromise doesn't make you any less an artist, just evidence of a mature one.
Jason, don't compromise! Unless you think it's the best thing to do.
Chris
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