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In lugnet.general, C. L. GunningCook wrote:
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> I do want to address two issues that were brought up here, some what, but
> mostly in email and msn.. That basically was "What was your motivation in
> posting? What do I think the price is?"
I took your motivation as asking legitimate questions regarding a legitimate
issue.
> The truth is, lots of ppl I know have been discussing these sorts of
> questions at lug meetings, chats, other forums and msn messages yet I had not
> seen many in depth conversation about it here. That seriously got me to
> wondering where the community on a whole was standing on these various
> questions I keep hearing. They were not just my questions, I only brought the
> question here, mainly because there are some people that can't or are not
> comfortable posting here. I personally don't have strong stance on any of
> it, just intense curiosity.
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>
> [In particular, to Calum, no, I don't think that any of my
> questions/answers/resulting conclusions are remotely world changing nor would
> it be "preventing the next Nobel prize winning thesis" but... I also don't
> recall LUGNET changing to a "World Event Symposium". Therefore ~ In my
> opinion, company and fan relations are a valid part of discussion here.]
>
>
> Janey "Red Brick"
Is it me or are many people 'going underground' where discussions on LUGNET are
concerned? I mean, I've received a few e-mails lately regarding some of my
posts to various threads--either stating that they agree with what I stated or
more often stating that I should go crawl under a rock somewhere because my
opinion isn't right.
I have no problem going 'off-line' for matters that don't require postings to
LUGNET--personal stuff and the like. But if you feel you have a legitimate
point regarding a post or what someone said, then why aren't you posting it to
LUGNET to begin with? Why take it 'off line'?
One of the ironies of this issue and LUGNET is the idea of 'cross contaminating'
of posts from other newsgroups causing people much chagrin. These very same
people take LUGNET posts to other venues--either other newsgroups or to private
e-mails.
I have no problem with 'cross contamination'. If something exciting on Jlug
happens and someone wants to post here about it (and it relates to some aspect
of LEGO), then by all means, post it here so other AFOL's can enjoy that 'LEGO
Goodness' (tm).
If, however, someone posts something that "you don't appreciate" and you have a
point to make, why wouldn't you post it to the original thread? Is your point
not worthy of debate and discussion? You obviously thought it merited somehting
or you woudln't have e-mailed or taken it somewhere else.
Stating that this isn't directed solely at Calum, but to many of us who want our
opinions known but aren't willing to put them in an 'open discussion group'.
Bottom line--if Janey's post starts a healthy communication about the ambassador
program, and the ambassador program really does relate to all things LEGO, then
the questions shouldn't be 'why did she post these questions to LUGNET in the
first place? What's she trying to prove?' but rather the question should be,
'if the ambassador program has been around for, what, over a year now?, then why
haven't these questions been asked earlier right here on LUGNET?'
Why did it take this long for people to start asking these legitimate questions
regarding issues that affect us all?
Once again I state for the record,
Janey--you go girl!!
Dave K
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> I have no problem going 'off-line' for matters that don't require postings
> to
> LUGNET--personal stuff and the like. But if you feel you have a
> legitimate
> point regarding a post or what someone said, then why aren't you posting
> it to
> LUGNET to begin with? Why take it 'off line'?
Could be in some cases, because they are having trouble posting to LUGNET.
Email posting confirmations are broken and have been for some time, but the
problem is not known to everyone, and nor is the solution (use the web link
in the email to confirm via the web page). Other people have other problems
such as changed email addresses, lost passwords etc, which they have had
difficulty getting addressed. Who knows how many people have been affected
by this.
Kevin
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In lugnet.general, Kevin Wilson wrote:
> > I have no problem going 'off-line' for matters that don't require postings
> > to
> > LUGNET--personal stuff and the like. But if you feel you have a
> > legitimate
> > point regarding a post or what someone said, then why aren't you posting
> > it to
> > LUGNET to begin with? Why take it 'off line'?
>
> Could be in some cases, because they are having trouble posting to LUGNET.
> Email posting confirmations are broken and have been for some time, but the
> problem is not known to everyone, and nor is the solution (use the web link
> in the email to confirm via the web page). Other people have other problems
> such as changed email addresses, lost passwords etc, which they have had
> difficulty getting addressed. Who knows how many people have been affected
> by this.
>
> Kevin
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I agree 100% Kevin about the posting problem. I couldn't post for about 6 weeks
until Clark Stephens recommended to me that route. There needs to be a major
announcement on this problem.
I wonder how many others have this same problem.
Maybe Lugnet isn't dying off.... just a lot of folks can no longer post, and
haven't figured out why!!!
Gary Istok
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In lugnet.general, David Koudys wrote:
> In lugnet.general, C. L. GunningCook wrote:
snipped
> > [In particular, to Calum, no, I don't think that any of my
> > questions/answers/resulting conclusions are remotely world changing nor would
> > it be "preventing the next Nobel prize winning thesis" but... I also don't
> > recall LUGNET changing to a "World Event Symposium". Therefore ~ In my
> > opinion, company and fan relations are a valid part of discussion here.]
>
> Is it me or are many people 'going underground' where discussions on LUGNET are
> concerned?
YES, yes they are! Which is how all of this sort of got started.
> I mean, I've received a few e-mails lately regarding some of my
> posts to various threads--either stating that they agree with what I stated or
> more often stating that I should go crawl under a rock somewhere because my
> opinion isn't right.
In the past I was only getting intermittent feedback on MOCs I have posted, by
ppl that stated they were lurkers. But now... Like you, I am also getting more
and more non-MOC-post responses/feedback/concerns in my email. At first, I hope
part of it was posting issues, but after careful consideration, I see that is
not the reason.
snipped again.
> Once again I state for the record,
>
> Janey--you go girl!!
LOL, Dave... thanks for the support, maybe we can start some mutual admiration
society.
Janey "Red Brick"
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[so this is now a discussion about discussions on LUGNET, right? Talk about your
meta-discussions... <grin>]
In lugnet.general, David Koudys wrote:
> I took your motivation as asking legitimate questions regarding
> a legitimate issue.
Agreed.
> > The truth is, lots of ppl I know have been discussing these
> > sorts of questions at lug meetings, chats, other forums...
To be honest, I was completely caught off-guard by this thread. I had *not*
heard this (although to be fair most of my on-line LEGO time is spent on
LUGNET), and was surprised that anyone would be upset or even worried. Clearly I
was just blatently *wrong* on this. I tend to agree with the philosophy of
"innocent until proven otherwise" in my interactions - I see no reason to see
bad intentions until they slap me in the face, as usually I find they're
miscommunications instead [1].
> > I also don't recall LUGNET changing to a "World Event Symposium".
One curious sideline here: in my vast research in the world at large (I asked
one other person, in France) about this thread, it was a surprise "over the
pond" as well. Does anyone know if similar issues have poped up on 1000steine,
for instance? Or is this a principly North American issue?
> the questions shouldn't be 'why did she post these questions to
> LUGNET in the first place? What's she trying to prove?'
Absolutely!
> the question should be, 'if the ambassador program has been around
> for, what, over a year now?, then why haven't these questions been
> asked earlier right here on LUGNET?'
Which I guess is a very good question. But some of us haven't been asking
them because, well... first, they aren't problems that all of us see. And
second, we've been, you know, *playing*. With our toys. I mean, that's why I'm
"here" in the first place. Right now I'm trying to plan stuff for HoB in
Chicago, including building a new loader/unloader and GBC train handling system
[4], new GBC modules [5], a Raptor from BSG [7], and revitalize a tic-tac-toe
playing robot. And I'm working with several others to plan Technic events at
BF06 (we're hoping to have a number of events, as well as NXT demos, etc), and
on top of it playing with the NXT under the NDA [6], etc. Oh, and trying to
build my first Moonbase module(s) which need some work [11].
> Janey--you go girl!!
Seconded!
--
Brian Davis [12]
[1] Or as I usually think of it, "never ascribe to malice what can easily be
explained by ignorance". Another little phrase I think about in this vein is
"Organizations never know anything - *individuals* within organizations do" [3].
[2] This space intentionally left blank.
[3] Another one that always gets me in trouble is "I firmly believe in
discrimination on the grounds of ability". I love watching my students I when I
use the "D" word :). But I digress.
[4] Not because the old one doesn't work, but because, well, it's FUN!
[5] See footnote #4 just above. Including, Janey, one that sorts the Bionicle
balls you posted about so long ago. Those are neat [8].
[6] Among those tasks, getting ready to share what I know when the shackles come
off on 1 May [9].
[7] and folks, I'm lousy at building space [11] - somebody please take on this
task and out-do me. One of the guests of honor at HoB may be a cast member from
BSG, "Chief", and it would be a neat tie-in.
[8] Oh, and making an automated robotic machine gun using them, hopefully with
target tracking as well; I confess the idea came from a German AFoL in a case of
cross-the-pond inspiration.
[9] As well as a whole lot of other things that I can't say *yet* <insert sounds
of teeth on bit here>.
[10] Consider this one of those things.
[11] As my 8-year-old son has told me on several occasions.
[12] Who is unofficially trying to abscond with the title of "most footnotes in
a single LUGNET post"... although to make that official, do I have to cross-post
into rtlToronto?
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