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In lugnet.fun.gaming, Stephen F. Roberts writes:
> ...We were going to do some Brikwars at the East Coast Brikfest (june 9-11,
> join lugnet.org.us.wamalug for info), Jeff proposed a 'round the
> clock/continuous game' kind of thing. So I'm posting my initial ideas for how
> to structure this thing to get feedback/ideas from youse guys.
>
>
> My idea: Kinda like a 'king of the hill' scenario.
>
> ...I was thinking of a big area with some 'target' spots on it. Players start
> from any edge (or maybe some defined 'landing zones') and get points at the
> end of their turn for having a minifig alive and kicking uncontested in a
> target.
I was thinking of a "Last man standing" kinda thing. Basically, just try to
take out all vehicles/troops, and whoever has the most points at the end wins.
Points would be equal to the CPs of the enemy units destroyed. I've been
thinking about allowing teams/alliances, too, so the person who brings two
hundred troops won't have an overwhelming advantage.
> ...New players can start at any time by just grabbing a squad or two and
> joining a table edge. If any player gets wiped out, they can just grab a new
> squad and join in again (points keep adding up).
What if someone fields their entire force at the beginning? Should there be a
wait time before they can field the same units again, or can they not field
them again at all?
> ...And to reward good play, perhaps divide their points by how many CPs total
> they brought in. So players who bring in huge forces wont necessarily do
> better than players who bring in a couple small teams.
This would definitely make the scoring fairer. A must if there is no limit to
the amount someone is able to field.
> possible other things:
> ...give points for each fig killed (maybe 100 points for a target, 10 pts for
> a fig?) to encourage bloodshed :-)
Basing this on the troop's CP would be better, as a trooper with a deathgun is
more of a challenge than one with a pistol.
> ...bonus points for spectacular deaths (small missile takes out 15 figs), best
> unit, amazing saves (1 fig survives full onslaught of a heavy mecha), most
> stoopid thing done, etc
This has possibilities... :)
> ...some fixed 'neutral' weapons or bunkers that can be operated by whoever
> happens to get them (optionally, neutral weapons are indestructible).
Indestructible might not be a good thing... A smart player could have some
troops hole up in a bunker and make them nigh invincible. Weapon choice would
play a big part here. On the other hand, major bonus points could be
awarded...
Jeff
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"Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> wrote:
> In lugnet.fun.gaming, Stephen F. Roberts writes:
> > ...We were going to do some Brikwars at the East Coast Brikfest (june 9-11,
> > join lugnet.org.us.wamalug for info), Jeff proposed a 'round the
> > clock/continuous game' kind of thing. So I'm posting my initial ideas for how
> > to structure this thing to get feedback/ideas from youse guys.
> >
> >
> > My idea: Kinda like a 'king of the hill' scenario.
> >
> > ...I was thinking of a big area with some 'target' spots on it. Players start
> > from any edge (or maybe some defined 'landing zones') and get points at the
> > end of their turn for having a minifig alive and kicking uncontested in a
> > target.
>
> I was thinking of a "Last man standing" kinda thing. Basically, just try to
> take out all vehicles/troops, and whoever has the most points at the end wins.
> Points would be equal to the CPs of the enemy units destroyed. I've been
> thinking about allowing teams/alliances, too, so the person who brings two
> hundred troops won't have an overwhelming advantage.
...They'd have an overwhelming advantage, but specially if we use the divide by points
fielded idea, they still wouldn't necessarily come out best. And if we have several target
areas spread out by >30", if the player with 200 pts wanted to take more than 1, theyd
have to spread out, making them an easier target if another player concentrated.
...This whole thing kinda hinges on there being enuf players who want to play. And there
should be fewer targets than players (musical chairs :-). This would force someone to be
the 'odd man out' and have to fight to get in. Also, make less defendable target areas
worth more. Like a target that's in a field surrounded by light cover is worth a lot more
than a target that has some cover.
> > ...New players can start at any time by just grabbing a squad or two and
> > joining a table edge. If any player gets wiped out, they can just grab a new
> > squad and join in again (points keep adding up).
>
> What if someone fields their entire force at the beginning? Should there be a
> wait time before they can field the same units again, or can they not field
> them again at all?
...Hmmm... ok, they cant field anything more until they have lost everything else on the
board. Then maybe make them wait a round and they can re-field the force, but the new
fielding adds to their total CP. This would let players come with a small force and just
keep reusing it over and over (multiplying their total CP every time).
> > ...And to reward good play, perhaps divide their points by how many CPs total
> > they brought in. So players who bring in huge forces wont necessarily do
> > better than players who bring in a couple small teams.
>
> This would definitely make the scoring fairer. A must if there is no limit to
> the amount someone is able to field.
...I guess, depending on how big the field is and how many players there are, we might
need to limit how much is fielded at one time by a player... but this may be something we
have to find out as we play.. :-/
> > possible other things:
> > ...give points for each fig killed (maybe 100 points for a target, 10 pts for
> > a fig?) to encourage bloodshed :-)
>
> Basing this on the troop's CP would be better, as a trooper with a deathgun is
> more of a challenge than one with a pistol.
...Yea, but if everyone is worth the same, you'll go after all the cannon fodder, leading
to more bloodshed! :-) I was thinking 10 pts each just to make the math easier, at 10pts
each, just put a tick mark on a sheet vice having to write down all the kill cps.
> > ...bonus points for spectacular deaths (small missile takes out 15 figs), best
> > unit, amazing saves (1 fig survives full onslaught of a heavy mecha), most
> > stoopid thing done, etc
>
> This has possibilities... :)
>
> > ...some fixed 'neutral' weapons or bunkers that can be operated by whoever
> > happens to get them (optionally, neutral weapons are indestructible).
>
> Indestructible might not be a good thing... A smart player could have some
> troops hole up in a bunker and make them nigh invincible. Weapon choice would
> play a big part here. On the other hand, major bonus points could be
> awarded...
...But if the bunkers and weapons arent part of the target zones, they could hole up there
all day and still not win (tho get lots of points for killing ppl! :-)
...you can go back to ignoring me now...
wubwub
stephen f roberts
wamalug guy (http://wamalug.org)
wildlink.com
lugnet #160
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In lugnet.fun.gaming, Stephen F. Roberts writes:
> > > ...We were going to do some Brikwars at the East Coast Brikfest (june
> > > 9-11, join lugnet.org.us.wamalug for info), Jeff proposed a 'round the
> > > clock/continuous game' kind of thing. So I'm posting my initial ideas
> > > for how to structure this thing to get feedback/ideas from youse guys.
You've got to watch out, a game like this is going to get bogged down by
inexperienced players fielding bigger armies than they can handle. What you
might want to do is set a 20-30 minute time limit on each player's turn - this
will serve to limit the effective size of individual armies and to keep the
game moving at faster than a snail's pace.
Another thing that will help is if you have two non-player administrative
types.
The most experienced person handy should be the game master, who would make
rapid judgment calls whenever something was ambiguous (such as deciding
whether a proposed Stupendous Feat is legal, deciding whether a warhorse would
really behave in a certain way, etc.), make up new rules when necessary, help
new players who aren't familiar with the rules to play without being at too
severe a disadvantage, and keep everything moving smoothly. He must also
decide when a player's army is inappropriately large (whether because there
aren't enough opposing forces on the field, the battlefield is not big enough,
or due to the player's perceived inexperience). Pronouncements of the GM are
instant and binding, and he is allowed to be completely wrong as often as he
wants as long as it keeps the game moving and fun for everybody.
The second admin should be a lowly production assistant, whose main job is to
act as a full-time scorekeeper and timekeeper(and thereby keep the GM and
players free for more important things). The PA would also be in charge of
looking up rules in the rulebook, taking secretarial notes of game highlights
so you don't forget them later in case you want to do a write-up or web page,
and doing any other menial tasks to take care of the needs of the GM and
players (such as getting food and drinks).
If you're going to be doing this round-the-clock for a couple days, you're
going to need to have a couple of GMs and PAs in rotation. You might also
need a way to handle players leaving the game when they still have armies on
the field, and how new players will enter the field mid-battle.
> ...They'd have an overwhelming advantage, but specially if we use the
> divide by points fielded idea, they still wouldn't necessarily come out
> best. And if we have several target areas spread out by 30", if the
> player with 200 pts wanted to take more than 1, theyd have to spread
> out, making them an easier target if another player concentrated.
Since you are having players coming in and out of the game, a player who put
in a 200-point army when there were only two 100-point opponents would have a
much bigger advantage than if he entered the game when there were three 300-
point opponents. So maybe you have to keep track of the ratio of individual
CP to battlefield CP as well. Seems like it'd be a lot of work though.
- Mike Rayhawk.
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Check out the Official BrikWars Home Page at
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I have to agree with Mike here ... when I first read the initial posting, I shuddered at the
prospect of a huge game. Our second NELUG game (the one that we finished) took about 4 hours
to play to conclusion (11:30 to 5:00, with about an hour for lunch - setup and stats and
everything was done before that), with each of the five people fielding 300 points worth of
troops and equipment. The entire game took about 4 turns for each side. We'd all played the
game at least once before, and most of the scoring of troops and equipment had been done ahead
of time. I'm afraid a *really* large scale battle could really bog down - though Mike's
suggestions could certainly help alleviate that problem and streamline the process.
Another possible way to run the game would be to have a number of smaller battles throughout
the weekend. I'm typing as I'm thinking this through, but I like the idea of a
campaign/tournament style, in which only units that survive one battle can make an appearance
in the next one (even losers in a battle can have survivors if the games have specific
objectives versus "destroy all enemy troops" - plus, cowardice and fleeing appropriately can
do wonders for longevity ;) At the end of the campaign, there will be some very special
troops who have weathered all storms and now stand proud. Of course, this doesn't work for
someone who loses all of their troops, or who wants to field new creations halfway through the
event.
I guess I don't know the best way to do it. I'd just be careful about trying to undertake a
huge game, lest it move too slowly to keep people interested.
My thoughts and opinions are supplied free of charge, and, as such, have little to no market
value. Feel free to discard at will ;)
shaun
Stephen F Roberts wrote:
> "Jeff Stembel" <aulddragon@wamalug.org> wrote:
>
> > In lugnet.fun.gaming, Stephen F. Roberts writes:
> > > ...We were going to do some Brikwars at the East Coast Brikfest (june 9-11,
> > > join lugnet.org.us.wamalug for info), Jeff proposed a 'round the
> > > clock/continuous game' kind of thing. So I'm posting my initial ideas for how
> > > to structure this thing to get feedback/ideas from youse guys.
> > >
> > >
> > > My idea: Kinda like a 'king of the hill' scenario.
> > >
> > > ...I was thinking of a big area with some 'target' spots on it. Players start
> > > from any edge (or maybe some defined 'landing zones') and get points at the
> > > end of their turn for having a minifig alive and kicking uncontested in a
> > > target.
> >
> > I was thinking of a "Last man standing" kinda thing. Basically, just try to
> > take out all vehicles/troops, and whoever has the most points at the end wins.
> > Points would be equal to the CPs of the enemy units destroyed. I've been
> > thinking about allowing teams/alliances, too, so the person who brings two
> > hundred troops won't have an overwhelming advantage.
>
> ...They'd have an overwhelming advantage, but specially if we use the divide by points
> fielded idea, they still wouldn't necessarily come out best. And if we have several target
> areas spread out by >30", if the player with 200 pts wanted to take more than 1, theyd
> have to spread out, making them an easier target if another player concentrated.
>
> ...This whole thing kinda hinges on there being enuf players who want to play. And there
> should be fewer targets than players (musical chairs :-). This would force someone to be
> the 'odd man out' and have to fight to get in. Also, make less defendable target areas
> worth more. Like a target that's in a field surrounded by light cover is worth a lot more
> than a target that has some cover.
>
> > > ...New players can start at any time by just grabbing a squad or two and
> > > joining a table edge. If any player gets wiped out, they can just grab a new
> > > squad and join in again (points keep adding up).
> >
> > What if someone fields their entire force at the beginning? Should there be a
> > wait time before they can field the same units again, or can they not field
> > them again at all?
>
> ...Hmmm... ok, they cant field anything more until they have lost everything else on the
> board. Then maybe make them wait a round and they can re-field the force, but the new
> fielding adds to their total CP. This would let players come with a small force and just
> keep reusing it over and over (multiplying their total CP every time).
>
> > > ...And to reward good play, perhaps divide their points by how many CPs total
> > > they brought in. So players who bring in huge forces wont necessarily do
> > > better than players who bring in a couple small teams.
> >
> > This would definitely make the scoring fairer. A must if there is no limit to
> > the amount someone is able to field.
>
> ...I guess, depending on how big the field is and how many players there are, we might
> need to limit how much is fielded at one time by a player... but this may be something we
> have to find out as we play.. :-/
>
> > > possible other things:
> > > ...give points for each fig killed (maybe 100 points for a target, 10 pts for
> > > a fig?) to encourage bloodshed :-)
> >
> > Basing this on the troop's CP would be better, as a trooper with a deathgun is
> > more of a challenge than one with a pistol.
>
> ...Yea, but if everyone is worth the same, you'll go after all the cannon fodder, leading
> to more bloodshed! :-) I was thinking 10 pts each just to make the math easier, at 10pts
> each, just put a tick mark on a sheet vice having to write down all the kill cps.
>
> > > ...bonus points for spectacular deaths (small missile takes out 15 figs), best
> > > unit, amazing saves (1 fig survives full onslaught of a heavy mecha), most
> > > stoopid thing done, etc
> >
> > This has possibilities... :)
> >
> > > ...some fixed 'neutral' weapons or bunkers that can be operated by whoever
> > > happens to get them (optionally, neutral weapons are indestructible).
> >
> > Indestructible might not be a good thing... A smart player could have some
> > troops hole up in a bunker and make them nigh invincible. Weapon choice would
> > play a big part here. On the other hand, major bonus points could be
> > awarded...
>
> ...But if the bunkers and weapons arent part of the target zones, they could hole up there
> all day and still not win (tho get lots of points for killing ppl! :-)
>
> ...you can go back to ignoring me now...
>
> wubwub
> stephen f roberts
> wamalug guy (http://wamalug.org)
> wildlink.com
> lugnet #160
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> Indestructible might not be a good thing... A smart player could have some
> troops hole up in a bunker and make them nigh invincible. Weapon choice would
> play a big part here. On the other hand, major bonus points could be
> awarded...
>
> Jeff
Actually, I don't think that would be so bad. You copuld clear out the bunker
by poping an mkII missles off a bazooka, and through the window. That would
make a few fig unhappy...
Pearson
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