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I think we, as developers, should decide a standard location for the ldraw.ini
on each platform. It's simply too confusing to have many different locations.
I propose:
Windows:
%APPDATA%\ldraw\ldraw.ini
(this is where Microsoft tells you to put such things as INI files)
Mac:
$HOME/Library/Preferences/org.ldraw.plist
(preferred since root access is not required)
Linux:
No clue as I don't have a Linux box to play with.
-Orion
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In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> I think we, as developers, should decide a standard location for the ldraw.ini
> on each platform. It's simply too confusing to have many different locations.
>
> I propose:
> Windows:
> %APPDATA%\ldraw\ldraw.ini
> (this is where Microsoft tells you to put such things as INI files)
>
> Mac:
> $HOME/Library/Preferences/org.ldraw.plist
> (preferred since root access is not required)
>
> Linux:
> No clue as I don't have a Linux box to play with.
>
> -Orion
On my System (xp) ldraw.ini is in the windows folder, like all the other ini
files. Why do you want to move it from there to somewhere else?
I see that it make sense to move it to split user data from system data, but how
long to we need then ldraw.ini at both locations?
cu
mikeheide
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In lugnet.cad, Michael Heidemann wrote:
> On my System (xp) ldraw.ini is in the windows folder, like all the other ini
> files. Why do you want to move it from there to somewhere else?
The biggest reason is that on Vista (and I would assume subsequent Windows
versions) write access is restricted to the Windows directory (among others) is
restricted. Apparently Microsoft has been telling developers to use the APPDATA
path for quite some time now and it make sense from a security standpoint. As
such, if ldraw.ini is not in the APPDATA tree (or a few other user directories)
then programs running in Vista (or higher) can't change the values in the
ldraw.ini.
> I see that it make sense to move it to split user data from system data, but how
> long to we need then ldraw.ini at both locations?
Not that many applications are ldraw.ini aware and most are quite old and
obsolete. I say move the file and leave it at that. Your choice.
-Orion
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In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> I think we, as developers, should decide a standard location for the ldraw.ini
> on each platform. It's simply too confusing to have many different locations.
>
> I propose:
> Windows:
> %APPDATA%\ldraw\ldraw.ini
> (this is where Microsoft tells you to put such things as INI files)
>
> Mac:
> $HOME/Library/Preferences/org.ldraw.plist
> (preferred since root access is not required)
>
> Linux:
> No clue as I don't have a Linux box to play with.
A little more on this. Upon musing I feel that the Mac platform should use the
.ini format and not the .plist format.
-Orion
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In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> > I think we, as developers, should decide a standard location for the ldraw.ini
> > on each platform. It's simply too confusing to have many different locations.
> >
> > I propose:
> > Windows:
> > %APPDATA%\ldraw\ldraw.ini
> > (this is where Microsoft tells you to put such things as INI files)
> >
> > Mac:
> > $HOME/Library/Preferences/org.ldraw.plist
> > (preferred since root access is not required)
> >
> > Linux:
> > No clue as I don't have a Linux box to play with.
>
> A little more on this. Upon musing I feel that the Mac platform should use the
> .ini format and not the .plist format.
>
> -Orion
What is in this file?
Allen
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In lugnet.cad, Allen Smith wrote:
> In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> > > I think we, as developers, should decide a standard location for the ldraw.ini
> > > on each platform. It's simply too confusing to have many different locations.
> > >
> > > I propose:
> > > Windows:
> > > %APPDATA%\ldraw\ldraw.ini
> > > (this is where Microsoft tells you to put such things as INI files)
> > >
> > > Mac:
> > > $HOME/Library/Preferences/org.ldraw.plist
> > > (preferred since root access is not required)
> > >
> > > Linux:
> > > No clue as I don't have a Linux box to play with.
> >
> > A little more on this. Upon musing I feel that the Mac platform should use the
> > .ini format and not the .plist format.
> >
> > -Orion
>
> What is in this file?
>
> Allen
It provides a file in a standard location for programs to look up the LDraw base
path and other assorted paths including search paths.
Lars summed it up quite well:
The ldraw.ini file is a containing LDraw configuration information.
An ldraw.ini file may look like this:
[LDraw]
BaseDirectory=C:\Lars\LDraw
LgeoDirectory=C:\Lars\LDraw\Apps\lgeo
[LDrawSearch]
1=<MODELDIR>
2=<HIDE><DEFPRIM><LDRAWDIR>\P
3=<DEFPART><LDRAWDIR>\PARTS
4=<LDRAWDIR>\MODELS
5=<DEFPART><LDRAWDIR>\UnOff\PARTS
6=<DEFPART>C:\My Own Parts
-Orion
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Orion Pobursky wrote:
<snip>
> > What is in this file?
> >
> > Allen
>
> It provides a file in a standard location for programs to look up the LDraw base
> path and other assorted paths including search paths.
>
> Lars summed it up quite well:
> The ldraw.ini file is a containing LDraw configuration information.
> An ldraw.ini file may look like this:
> [LDraw]
> BaseDirectory=C:\Lars\LDraw
> LgeoDirectory=C:\Lars\LDraw\Apps\lgeo
> [LDrawSearch]
> 1=<MODELDIR>
> 2=<HIDE><DEFPRIM><LDRAWDIR>\P
> 3=<DEFPART><LDRAWDIR>\PARTS
> 4=<LDRAWDIR>\MODELS
> 5=<DEFPART><LDRAWDIR>\UnOff\PARTS
> 6=<DEFPART>C:\My Own Parts
>
> -Orion
I didn't know about this file ether, there is no info about it on
ldraw.org as far I could find. Because of this I haven't used it for
LD4DStudio. But it seems very useful although some standards would be
nice to prevent it from growing wild.
About the location, ms does barely know them selfs where to put stuff,
look at all the relocate and backwards compatible folders in Vista. it's
a mess in the root of c:\ :)
But if you decide to standardize it's location the proposed non user
specific appdata location would be the best I think.
As for Linux I believe it's the "/usr/etc" location thats mend to
contain global user level config files.
But I would not force people to store it at specific location, some
people like to keep their LDraw stuff mobile.
Maybe in the future software needs only to know the location of this ini
instead of the location of the library. And it tries first at the
'standardized default location' if it's not there it asks the user like
most software does now with the library location.
for that to work nicely the library installer should create the ini and
ask the user where to store it (but suggests the default in that dialog).
Roland
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