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Hi folks,
The LDraw and LDD libraries differ in color numbers, sometimes in part numbers,
the fact that LDD parts are measured in millimeters while LDraw uses LDUs -
LDraw Units, but most notably in the part's origin point. Learn how LEGO Digital
Designer's Import/Export feature works and what has to be observed for a
successful conversion:
http://www.ldraw.org/Article504.html
Bye,
Willy Tschager
LDraw Content Manager
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"Willy Tschager" <willy.tschager@tin.it> wrote in message
news:JvB101.5qI@lugnet.com...
> Hi folks,
>
> The LDraw and LDD libraries differ in color numbers, sometimes in part
> numbers,
> the fact that LDD parts are measured in millimeters while LDraw uses
> LDUs -
> LDraw Units, but most notably in the part's origin point. Learn how LEGO
> Digital
> Designer's Import/Export feature works and what has to be observed for a
> successful conversion:
>
> http://www.ldraw.org/Article504.html
I sent this request through the helpdesk form, although don't know if it
will be sccessful or not, since it was lengthy, and may require some
reading, it comes with an LDD .lxfml file which has details of how LDD
creates this part itself in a model file it writes to disk.
But essentially, I have noticed that the part which LDD appears to have
designated 6211 needs a translation, and the corresponding official LDRAW
part designations for it in the LDRAW parts reference library need to be
created and assigned or referenced to the official LDRAW version of the part
if one does actually exist, though I couldn't actually find one. It
probably also needs to be worked out how it's flexibility should be handled
insofar as being a LDRAW part is concerned.
I also have forgotten if there is some place on LUGNET where LDRAW parts can
be requested, please forgive me if this is the wrong newsgroup for LDRAW
parts. Please follow up to this post in this newsgroup or I may not find
your response for some time.
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
>
> "Willy Tschager" <willy.tschager@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:JvB101.5qI@lugnet.com...
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > The LDraw and LDD libraries differ in color numbers, sometimes in part
> > numbers,
> > the fact that LDD parts are measured in millimeters while LDraw uses
> > LDUs -
> > LDraw Units, but most notably in the part's origin point. Learn how LEGO
> > Digital
> > Designer's Import/Export feature works and what has to be observed for a
> > successful conversion:
> >
> > http://www.ldraw.org/Article504.html
>
> I sent this request through the helpdesk form, although don't know if it
> will be sccessful or not, since it was lengthy, and may require some
> reading, it comes with an LDD .lxfml file which has details of how LDD
> creates this part itself in a model file it writes to disk.
I checked the helpdesk's archive but there is no trace of your mail.
> But essentially, I have noticed that the part which LDD appears to have
> designated 6211 needs a translation, and the corresponding official LDRAW
> part designations for it in the LDRAW parts reference library need to be
> created and assigned or referenced to the official LDRAW version of the part
> if one does actually exist, though I couldn't actually find one. It
> probably also needs to be worked out how it's flexibility should be handled
> insofar as being a LDRAW part is concerned.
the LDraw number for 6211 is 73590b.dat - Hose Flexible 8.5L with Tabs
(Complete Assembly Shortcut) and the part is an official part since 1999.
obviously it is a straight hose also because it would be extremely difficult if
not impossible translate this into a LSynth part (beside the fact that flexible
parts vary between LDD versions - take a look at the minifig wipe and you'll
understand what I'm talkin' about).
anyway the translation for the hose is:
<!-- Hose Flexible 8.5L with Tabs (Complete Assembly Shortcut) -->
<Brick ldraw="73590b.dat" lego="6211" />
<Transformation ldraw="73590b.dat" tx="3.4" ty="0" tz="0" ax="0" ay="1" az="0"
angle="1.570796"/>
just add it to your ldraw.xml file using a text editor like Windows Wordpad and
try exporting.
bye, w.
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"Willy Tschager" <willy.tschager@tin.it> wrote in message
news:JvDo3v.3K7@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
> > I sent this request through the helpdesk form, although don't know if it
> > will be sccessful or not, since it was lengthy, and may require some
> > reading, it comes with an LDD .lxfml file which has details of how LDD
> > creates this part itself in a model file it writes to disk.
>
> I checked the helpdesk's archive but there is no trace of your mail.
Now I'm glad I followed up with this here. It was submitted within the last
24 hours, I don't even know if it made it into the archives yet. Does the
helpdesk link require someone to first create an account at www.ldraw.org?
I didn't, perhaps if it didn't find an account to link it to that would
cause confusion.
> > But essentially, I have noticed that the part which LDD appears to have
> > designated 6211 needs a translation, and the corresponding official LDRAW
> > part designations for it in the LDRAW parts reference library need to be
> > created and assigned or referenced to the official LDRAW version of the
> > part
> > if one does actually exist, though I couldn't actually find one. It
> > probably also needs to be worked out how it's flexibility should be
> > handled
> > insofar as being a LDRAW part is concerned.
>
> the LDraw number for 6211 is 73590b.dat - Hose Flexible 8.5L with Tabs
> (Complete Assembly Shortcut) and the part is an official part since 1999.
> obviously it is a straight hose also because it would be extremely
> difficult if
> not impossible translate this into a LSynth part (beside the fact that
> flexible
> parts vary between LDD versions - take a look at the minifig wipe and
> you'll
> understand what I'm talkin' about).
http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=73590 - OK so why wouldn't it show
up in the PT? I'm missing something here, and I'm pretty sure it's not
related to my mind.
Question: What is the 'minifig wipe'? I don't recall that part offhand.
> anyway the translation for the hose is:
>
> <!-- Hose Flexible 8.5L with Tabs (Complete Assembly Shortcut) -->
> <Brick ldraw="73590b.dat" lego="6211" />
> <Transformation ldraw="73590b.dat" tx="3.4" ty="0" tz="0" ax="0" ay="1"
> az="0"
> angle="1.570796"/>
>
> just add it to your ldraw.xml file using a text editor like Windows
> Wordpad and
> try exporting.
Thanks I'll try to add that in - once someone finds out what happened to the
official LDRAW version of the part.
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
>
> "Willy Tschager" <willy.tschager@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:JvDo3v.3K7@lugnet.com...
> >
> > the LDraw number for 6211 is 73590b.dat - Hose Flexible 8.5L with Tabs
> > (Complete Assembly Shortcut) and the part is an official part since 1999.
> > obviously it is a straight hose also because it would be extremely
> > difficult if
> > not impossible translate this into a LSynth part (beside the fact that
> > flexible
> > parts vary between LDD versions - take a look at the minifig wipe and
> > you'll
> > understand what I'm talkin' about).
>
> http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=73590 - OK so why wouldn't it show
> up in the PT? I'm missing something here, and I'm pretty sure it's not
> related to my mind.
Only unofficial parts show up in the parts tracker - once they become official
they are moved to the official library, and you can find them here:
http://www.ldraw.org/Article13.html
The part you're interested, for example, can be downloaded using this link:
http://www.ldraw.org/library/official/parts/73590b.dat
Hope this helps,
ROSCO
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"Ross Crawford" <ross.{mylastname}@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:JvDz9G.FAt@lugnet.com...
> > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=73590 - OK so why wouldn't it
> > show
> > up in the PT? I'm missing something here, and I'm pretty sure it's not
> > related to my mind.
>
> Only unofficial parts show up in the parts tracker - once they become
> official
> they are moved to the official library, and you can find them here:
> http://www.ldraw.org/Article13.html
>
> The part you're interested, for example, can be downloaded using this
> link:
> http://www.ldraw.org/library/official/parts/73590b.dat
Thanks, Ross. That probably means there's a need for an xref function in
the PT, if some part already exists as an official part, it would be better
than saying it couldn't be found. The fact that it couldn't be found
suggests to novice users that it doesn't exist, which is not the case here.
It'd also be handy for cross-reference purposes.
Or in plain english, regardless of whether it's being re-authored, modified,
etc, the PT should be able to tell people if a part already exists. I
haven't seen a simple and easy way of browsing existing official parts on
LDRAW. LDRAW relies on the file name, and not a graphic image of the part.
Cheers ...
Geoffrey Hyde
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> Thanks, Ross. That probably means there's a need for an xref function in
> the PT, if some part already exists as an official part, it would be better
> than saying it couldn't be found. The fact that it couldn't be found
> suggests to novice users that it doesn't exist, which is not the case here.
> It'd also be handy for cross-reference purposes.
You have a good point here, Geoffrey. Having a central place to find a part,
official or not, would be great.
Philo
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
>
> "Willy Tschager" <willy.tschager@tin.it> wrote in message
> news:JvDo3v.3K7@lugnet.com...
> > In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
> > > I sent this request through the helpdesk form, although don't know if it
> > > will be sccessful or not, since it was lengthy, and may require some
> > > reading, it comes with an LDD .lxfml file which has details of how LDD
> > > creates this part itself in a model file it writes to disk.
> >
> > I checked the helpdesk's archive but there is no trace of your mail.
>
> Now I'm glad I followed up with this here. It was submitted within the last
> 24 hours, I don't even know if it made it into the archives yet. Does the
> helpdesk link require someone to first create an account at www.ldraw.org?
> I didn't, perhaps if it didn't find an account to link it to that would
> cause confusion.
you can check the archive yourself:
http://mail.peeron.com/pipermail/helpdesk/2008-January/thread.html
nonetheless there is no login required. we actually discussed this issue to
block out also spam caused by bots but decided to keep the entrance bar as low
as possible.
> Question: What is the 'minifig wipe'? I don't recall that part offhand.
mistype - I was talking about 2488 -'Minifig Whip'. previous LDD 2.3 it was
flexed to match the version used in 10190 - Market Street
http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/10190-1 in 2.3 it comes as shown in
http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2488.
bye, w.
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Geoffrey Hyde wrote:
>
> "Ross Crawford" <ross.{mylastname}@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:JvDz9G.FAt@lugnet.com...
> > > http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=73590 - OK so why wouldn't it
> > > show
> > > up in the PT? I'm missing something here, and I'm pretty sure it's not
> > > related to my mind.
> >
> > Only unofficial parts show up in the parts tracker - once they become
> > official
> > they are moved to the official library, and you can find them here:
> > http://www.ldraw.org/Article13.html
> >
> > The part you're interested, for example, can be downloaded using this
> > link:
> > http://www.ldraw.org/library/official/parts/73590b.dat
>
> Thanks, Ross. That probably means there's a need for an xref function in
> the PT, if some part already exists as an official part, it would be better
> than saying it couldn't be found. The fact that it couldn't be found
> suggests to novice users that it doesn't exist, which is not the case here.
> It'd also be handy for cross-reference purposes.
>
> Or in plain english, regardless of whether it's being re-authored, modified,
> etc, the PT should be able to tell people if a part already exists. I
> haven't seen a simple and easy way of browsing existing official parts on
> LDRAW. LDRAW relies on the file name, and not a graphic image of the part.
A couple of things about this...
I agree it'd be pretty cool for ldraw.org to have a visual catalog of official
parts.
But, if you use peeron.com to search for parts, it's pretty easy to tell if a
part has an official LDraw file or not -- if LDraw includes the part, peeron's
image will be a rendering. Otherwise, the part image will be a photo.
Finally, the "Lookup" box on the PT is more powerful than it seems. It will
search on file numbers, part titles, and (if no unofficial match is found), it
will attempt to cross-reference the search term with official parts.
Steve
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Steve Bliss wrote:
> Finally, the "Lookup" box on the PT is more powerful than it seems. It will
> search on file numbers, part titles, and (if no unofficial match is found), it
> will attempt to cross-reference the search term with official parts.
It doesn't do that when I type stuff into the Lookup box on the PT. A search
for whip only returns one match, when the official library has 4 files with whip
in the title or keywords. The match that is found has whip in the keywords.
--Travis
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In lugnet.cad.ldd, Travis Cobbs wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.ldd, Steve Bliss wrote:
> > Finally, the "Lookup" box on the PT is more powerful than it seems. It will
> > search on file numbers, part titles, and (if no unofficial match is found), it
> > will attempt to cross-reference the search term with official parts.
>
> It doesn't do that when I type stuff into the Lookup box on the PT. A search
> for whip only returns one match, when the official library has 4 files with whip
> in the title or keywords. The match that is found has whip in the keywords.
I believe that's because searching for "whip" returns a match from the
unofficial parts. Since an unofficial match is made, the lookup doesn't go on
to examine the official parts.
The Lookup was intended as a tool to assist PT users. So it's primarily focused
on searching the unofficial parts. The cross-reference to the official parts is
intended as a help in the case where the primary search has failed.
Steve
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Is there a script file that could convert an LXFML file to LDR? Provided that
the LDraw.xml file is up to date with the proper parts and part translations it
should be something that is acheivable. I don't like having to use LDD as an
intermediary when converting because it occasionally strips out parts that are
not currently available.
-Duane
In lugnet.cad, Willy Tschager wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> The LDraw and LDD libraries differ in color numbers, sometimes in part numbers,
> the fact that LDD parts are measured in millimeters while LDraw uses LDUs -
> LDraw Units, but most notably in the part's origin point. Learn how LEGO Digital
> Designer's Import/Export feature works and what has to be observed for a
> successful conversion:
>
> http://www.ldraw.org/Article504.html
>
> Bye,
>
> Willy Tschager
> LDraw Content Manager
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