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The Brick Testament - Saul and Jonathan Attack
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Seven new illustrated stories have been added to the King Saul section of the The Brick Testament website:

Philistines Try to Keep Weapons Out of Hands of Israelites

Saul Rejected for Seeking God’s Favor

Slaughter of the Philistines

Jonathan Is Cursed

War on All Sides

God Commands Amalekite Genocide

Saul Rejected for Incomplete Genocide

(NOTE: For anyone unfamiliar with The Brick Testament or the Bible, please take note of the content warnings for the stories before viewing, as some may find the content extremely disturbing.)

Enjoy,

-The Rev. Brendan Powell Smith

   
         
     
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Re: The Brick Testament - Saul and Jonathan Attack
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Here are some comments, or rather mostly a proof reading report...

Philistines Try to Keep Weapons Out of Hands of Israelites

Uhm, you should do a control count on that math exercise about thirds of shekels...

Slaughter of the Philistines

1 Samuel 14:20-21: Hmm, so shall we interpret those funky Philistine hairpieces as hats or wigs or something...? In any case it’s a pretty funny detail.

Jonathan Is Cursed

What’s that gray wall in the background of the forest, and why is it there?

War on All Sides

The headline in the story itself says “Slaughter of the Ammonites”.

Kings of Zobah: that’s a funny little extremely literal interpretation there.


I found another little error elsewhere in the BT:

In the Judges story “Slaughter of the Ammonites” (not to be confused with the homonymic Saul story) there is a scene which says “But the king of the Ammorites didn’t listen...” You have misspelled Ammonites there as “Ammorites”, which makes it a bit confusing since it’s in the story where the king of the Ammonites has ben bad to the Israelites who lived in the land of the Amorites, and this Ammonite king accuses the Israelites of taking his land, but they answer that they didn’t take the land of the Ammonites but the land of the Amorites. It seems that the verse number is wrong too; it should be Judges 11:28.

    
          
     
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Martin Nilsson wrote:
   Here are some comments, or rather mostly a proof reading report...

Always appreciated!

   Philistines Try to Keep Weapons Out of Hands of Israelites

Uhm, you should do a control count on that math exercise about thirds of shekels...

Ouch. Math was never my best subject. Fixed now though. I think. Let’s see:

2/3 + 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 2.

Maybe the Philistine was just trying to take advantage of an Israelite whose ability to add fractions is as poor as my own!

  
Slaughter of the Philistines

1 Samuel 14:20-21: Hmm, so shall we interpret those funky Philistine hairpieces as hats or wigs or something...? In any case it’s a pretty funny detail.

They are meant to be headdresses of some sort. They are based on some ancient Egyptian reliefs depicting what are thought to be Philistines:



I don’t think anyone knows whether they incorporate the Philistines’ actual hair in combination with a fancy headband, or whether it’s just a sort of “hat” independent of their hair. And of course, we can’t know what color or colors they were.

For The Brick Testament, at least in the case of these Israelites who were mercenaries for the Philistines, I guess I’m taking the position that they were “hats” put on over their actual hair.

  
Jonathan Is Cursed

What’s that gray wall in the background of the forest, and why is it there?

I am using a raised baseplate there. I guess I envisioned the gray as rock covered by some green vegetation. I didn’t think it was particularly out of place for a forest.

  
War on All Sides

The headline in the story itself says “Slaughter of the Ammonites”.

Whoops. Fixed now.

   Kings of Zobah: that’s a funny little extremely literal interpretation there.

I suppose. Though I imagine it wasn’t so uncommon for the actual kings to be fighting amongst their own troops in those times, just as I depict Saul on the front lines of these battles. I was originally going to just have two kings and two or three non-king troops with them, but yeah, I thought it was sort of funny to show a bunch of crowned warriors grouped together in combat. :)

   I found another little error elsewhere in the BT:

In the Judges story “Slaughter of the Ammonites” (not to be confused with the homonymic Saul story)

Actually, in Judges it’s Massacre of the Ammonites and in King Saul it’s Slaughter of the Ammonites. The distinction I draw is that I’ll use “slaughter” to described a extremely severe military defeat where there are very great losses on one side and apparently few or none on the other, and “massacre” when civilians, women, and children are killed in significant number (whether or not in addition to a military slaughter).

   there is a scene which says “But the king of the Ammorites didn’t listen...” You have misspelled Ammonites there as “Ammorites”, which makes it a bit confusing since it’s in the story where the king of the Ammonites has ben bad to the Israelites who lived in the land of the Amorites, and this Ammonite king accuses the Israelites of taking his land, but they answer that they didn’t take the land of the Ammonites but the land of the Amorites. It seems that the verse number is wrong too; it should be Judges 11:28.

Wow, thanks for that one! I knew I’d confuse the Amorites and Ammonites when it counts. Corrected now.

Thanks very much for these!

-Brendan

    
          
     
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Re: The Brick Testament - Saul and Jonathan Attack
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Not only

In lugnet.build.ancient, Brendan Powell Smith wrote:
   In lugnet.build.ancient, Martin Nilsson wrote:
   Here are some comments, or rather mostly a proof reading report...

Always appreciated!

Not only are you an outstanding artist; you are also quite humble in your response to criticism. I don’t know that I could have answered that post without a touch of cynicism.

I had thought at one time your minifig interpretation of the various factions/nations was just creative. I caught a Discovery Channel special on the the subject a few weeks ago and gained a new appreciation for your work. I hadn’t realized you researched details like that for your builds (the Philistine hair pieces weren’t lost on me, at least).

Outstanding work; I’m always excited to see your new installments.

Felix

    
          
      
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Felix Greco wrote:
   Not only are you an outstanding artist; you are also quite humble in your response to criticism. I don’t know that I could have answered that post without a touch of cynicism.

Well, typo reports (and pointing out math mistakes) are just plain helpful. Those are always nice to get.

I didn’t think anything Martin wrote was particularly harsh, and it’s always easier to take criticism from someone you know has an overall favorable opinion toward the thing they’re criticizing. In fact, that’s generally where the most helpful criticism and suggestions for improvement come from.

Even if I don’t think a comment or suggestion is on target, I usually don’t mind explaining why and letting people know why I did something the way I did.

   I had thought at one time your minifig interpretation of the various factions/nations was just creative. I caught a Discovery Channel special on the the subject a few weeks ago and gained a new appreciation for your work. I hadn’t realized you researched details like that for your builds (the Philistine hair pieces weren’t lost on me, at least).

There’s still a great deal that’s pure creative license, but necessarily so, since there’s just not much known about these other ancient nations. I am quite interested in the historical settings of these Bible stories, so I have done a fair amount of reading about what we can know about this region in the time period from 1000 BCE to 100 CE from archeology and non-Biblical writings. I’m no expert, and I’m sure I take a few unwarranted liberties here and there due to my own ignorance (and/or the desire to keep things visually interesting), but I make an effort to have my illustrations informed by knowledge of the time period.

It’s trickier when what’s in the Bible contradicts what we can know (or at least, what seems extremely probable or improbable) from non-Biblical sources, but in those cases I defer to the Bible since that’s the book I’m illustrating.

   Outstanding work; I’m always excited to see your new installments.

Thanks, Felix!

Hoping to get one more set of stories in before the Christmas break. :)

-Brendan

    
          
     
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Felix Greco wrote:
   In lugnet.build.ancient, Brendan Powell Smith wrote:
   In lugnet.build.ancient, Martin Nilsson wrote:
   Here are some comments, or rather mostly a proof reading report...

Always appreciated!

Not only are you an outstanding artist; you are also quite humble in your response to criticism. I don’t know that I could have answered that post without a touch of cynicism.

Yeah, I agree. It’s simply that couldn’t come up with very much specific points to comment on regarding the Lego constructions themselves this time -- they’re pretty flawless, which is what I should have said, of course, it’s only that I’m a bit spoiled by now -- we’ve sort of have come to expect great quality from BPS. (I threw in two “that’s pretty funny” in the post though -- those were certainly meant in a positive way.) And then there are of course a lot of things I spontaneously feel like saying about the biblical content in there, but those things have been been discussed for eternity already by wiser men already, and tend to lead to eternal discussions/flamewars in lugnet.off-topic.debate here anyway.

And I knew from before that he has a wish to keep the BT error-free so that it shall not be as easy for its detractors to dismiss it simply due to the fact that small glitches can be pointed out in it here and there.

Luckily for all of us, the Reverend took my answer in the right way.

   
         
     
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Brendan,

You already know how much I love your work, so I won’t bore you with yet another “you’re awesome” post from me. All I wanted to say is, “Dude, you have a ton of minifigs”.

Thanx for all that you do, and when is the next book?

Scott

    
          
     
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Scott Costello wrote:
   You already know how much I love your work, so I won’t bore you with yet another “you’re awesome” post from me.

I yawn at the very idea. ;)

   All I wanted to say is, “Dude, you have a ton of minifigs”.

True. But I doubt I’d even make the top ten among LUGNET members.

   Thanx for all that you do, and when is the next book?

You’re welcome. Glad you’re still enjoying the site.

I’m not sure when a next book might come out in the US. While the Genesis book was quite successful, the Christmas book did not quite perform as well as my publisher would have hoped, and the Ten Commandments book’s sales have been rather slow (looking back, I wish they had released that one in advance of Christmas like the first two instead of rushing it out for a Spring 2005 release). So unless sales pick up, it’s possible my US publisher may pass on a 4th installment. That leaves me free to shop around a 4th BT book to other publishers, but I’ve been too busy building new stories recently to tend to the business side of things (which I’ve never found much fun anyhow).

Interestingly though, several other parts of the world will be seeing Brick Testament books published in the coming year or so. A Danish version of Story of Christmas and The Ten Commandments is on the way, as well as a Swedish version of Ten Commandments. A Hungarian Ten Commandments may soon follow (don’t ask why they’re starting with Ten Commandments instead of Genesis, because I have no idea!). And deals are possibly forthcoming for Brazil and Switzerland as well. And just last week I was contacted by a publisher in Indonesia(!). It boggles my mind to think a book I created might be published in ten languages!

If there’s any truly new Brick Testament books on the way, I will certainly let you guys know in advance. In the meantime, be sure buy 12 copies of each of my books for everyone on your holiday shopping list. :)

-Brendan

    
          
     
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Brendan Powell Smith wrote:
   In lugnet.build.ancient, Scott Costello wrote:
   You already know how much I love your work, so I won’t bore you with yet another “you’re awesome” post from me.

I yawn at the very idea. ;)

Never stopped me! Blah blah blah awesome installment blah blah hilarious blah blah nice use of short depth of field blah blah blah blah...

  
   All I wanted to say is, “Dude, you have a ton of minifigs”.

True. But I doubt I’d even make the top ten among LUGNET members.

Especially since all your minifigs seem to keep hacking each other into little pieces and inviting the wrath of God down upon themselves.

Which reminds me, “Dude, you have a ton of red 1x1 tiles!”

   I’m not sure when a next book might come out in the US. While the Genesis book was quite successful, the Christmas book did not quite perform as well as my publisher would have hoped, and the Ten Commandments book’s sales have been rather slow (looking back, I wish they had released that one in advance of Christmas like the first two instead of rushing it out for a Spring 2005 release). So unless sales pick up, it’s possible my US publisher may pass on a 4th installment. That leaves me free to shop around a 4th BT book to other publishers, but I’ve been too busy building new stories recently to tend to the business side of things (which I’ve never found much fun anyhow).

Interestingly though, several other parts of the world will be seeing Brick Testament books published in the coming year or so. A Danish version of Story of Christmas and The Ten Commandments is on the way, as well as a Swedish version of Ten Commandments. A Hungarian Ten Commandments may soon follow (don’t ask why they’re starting with Ten Commandments instead of Genesis, because I have no idea!). And deals are possibly forthcoming for Brazil and Switzerland as well. And just last week I was contacted by a publisher in Indonesia(!). It boggles my mind to think a book I created might be published in ten languages!

If there’s any truly new Brick Testament books on the way, I will certainly let you guys know in advance. In the meantime, be sure buy 12 copies of each of my books for everyone on your holiday shopping list. :)

I picked up a copy of Genesis awhile back when I saw it in my local bookstore. (There’s something compelling about a book with nudity right out there on the front cover, I guess.) But somehow I missed the release of the other two books. Off to the bookstore...

   
         
   
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Hey,

More Saully goodness.

Philistines Try to Keep Weapons Out of Hands of Israelites - I like how you varied the heights on Saul’s family. The tiled floor is nice in that scene, but the small square gaps are annoying. Plus there are four 1x1 plates in the very front that are slightly askew. I’m sure the minifigs would always be tripping over those. I do really like the blacksmith shop. The quoting George Bush at the end seems heavy handed.

Saul Rejected for Seeking God’s Favor - Lots of great big army scenes in this, but my favorite picture is the people hiding - particularly the well for some reason. Ooh, trans fishies! I like Saul’s sacrifice scene a lot - the balance is good between the altar, the flame, the bones and the blood on the ground.

Slaughter of the Philistines - Jonathan’s armor bearer reminds me of Patsy from the Holy Grail. Was that intentional? In the “complete accordance with your heart”, I wish there had been some way to use clickit hearts rather than the drawn-in hearts. Probably my favorite pic in this story is this one, with the guy looking at his severed hand in confusion.

Jonathan is cursed - I really like the forest scenes. The use of soft focus is really good at making it look like the forest stretches on and on. Nice honey-on-a-stick solution, but for some reason the croissants look more like a brain on the ground than a bee hive to me. In this pic the detached arm doesn’t quite work.

War on all sides - Great battle pics all around. I’m not a huge fan of the tire-heads, but the action is all great - particularly the severed amonite head and the killing of three philitines with one sword-thrust.

God Commands Amalekite Genocide - I see a couple more places where Saul would trip on his floor. Lots of ABS violence here. The scene of Saul and his army marching into town and the “No, not the children” scene are particularly well done.

Saul Rejected for Incomplete Genocide - I love the “what is that bleating and mooing I hear?” scene. I imagine Saul saying “Cattle? What cattle?” Saul’s such a weasel. The scene where he kneels is nice.

Anyway, all good stuff. Isn’t Saul getting a headache after all this killing? Time for David to make an appearance.

Bruce

   
         
   
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
   More Saully goodness.

I can’t believe I missed the opportunity to title my post about the first set of Saul stories “Saul About the Benjaminites”. That would have been awesome. My girlfriend came up with that one a week too late.

   Philistines Try to Keep Weapons Out of Hands of Israelites - I like how you varied the heights on Saul’s family. The tiled floor is nice in that scene, but the small square gaps are annoying. Plus there are four 1x1 plates in the very front that are slightly askew.

Well, Saul’s just starting out as king and he can’t afford the the highest quality floor installers just yet. But I understand that he’s hired someone to fix those askew tiles in between this and the next set of stories. :)

The little gaps are little weird, but I can put up with them aesthetically for allowing me to tile with the light gray highlight color. I think from most angles they look more like little dark squares as part of the tile pattern rather than “holes”. But yeah, sometimes they do just look like holes.

   The quoting George Bush at the end seems heavy handed.

I suppose. It’s hard for me to restrain myself from overt empathizing with the non-Israelite nations in the Bible. Especially the Philistines, since even their culture’s name has come down to us as a slur whose meaning is especially ironic since a reading of the Bible stories strongly suggests it is the Israelites themselves who are themselves far more “philistine”. Using the amalgam of Bushisms put in the mouth of the Philistine leader was an attempt to get the viewer to empathize with the Philistines much more than any sort of criticism of Bush or his policies.

   Saul Rejected for Seeking God’s Favor - Lots of great big army scenes in this, but my favorite picture is the people hiding - particularly the well for some reason.

A fairly simple well, but my attempts to make it fancier all seemed to get in the way of showing off the other hiding people. Not sure if it’s just a very shallow well, or if maybe they’re standing on the shoulders of people lower down in the shaft of the well. :)

   Ooh, trans fishies!

Yeah, I was very happy to see those fish pieces released in other colors. Got a few on Bricklink a few weeks back.

   I like Saul’s sacrifice scene a lot - the balance is good between the altar, the flame, the bones and the blood on the ground.

Thanks, yeah, I think that’s probably one of the better animal sacrifice shots so far.

   Slaughter of the Philistines - Jonathan’s armor bearer reminds me of Patsy from the Holy Grail. Was that intentional?

Heh, no, not intentional. Much as I love Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it’s been years since I’ve watched it, and I had to look up who Patsy even was! But looking at screen shots, I see the resemblance. :) Maybe it was subconscious.

   In the “complete accordance with your heart”, I wish there had been some way to use clickit hearts rather than the drawn-in hearts.

Hadn’t even thought of Clickit hearts, but that’s a nice idea. I suppose I could have just superimposed them in Photoshop, but sad to say, I have yet to acquire any Clickits.


   Probably my favorite pic in this story is this one, with the guy looking at his severed hand in confusion.

I like that one (though the hero shot of Jonathan’s attack--with his sword gleaming--is my fav). I just happened to pick up an already-made Philistine solider who, for whatever reason, was missing a hand, and his head was turned toward his stump as if contemplating how on earth that could have happened. So I just placed him in the scene.

   Jonathan is cursed - I really like the forest scenes. The use of soft focus is really good at making it look like the forest stretches on and on.

Soft focus is helpful that way. I also threw a lot of green in the sky in the background to give it something of a forest canopy feel. There’s a number of palm trees back there which would look out of place if you could tell what they are instead of just being blobs of green.

   Nice honey-on-a-stick solution, but for some reason the croissants look more like a brain on the ground than a bee hive to me.

Any better ideas for a hive? That’s the second time I’ve used the croissants (Samson also came across honey) for lack of a better idea.

   In this pic the detached arm doesn’t quite work.

Yeah it doesn’t quite look right. But I wasn’t sure people would get what was going on with the ephod if I didn’t show him reaching inside. It’s weird that the Bible seems to assume the reader is already familiar with what the heck the ephod is for and why the Israelites would draw lots to determine God’s will (instead of, say, talking with him directly which is the far more common form of communication with God in the rest of the Bible).

   Saul Rejected for Incomplete Genocide - I love the “what is that bleating and mooing I hear?” scene. I imagine Saul saying “Cattle? What cattle?” Saul’s such a weasel.

Really? Does Saul come off as a weasel? I never thought so in my reading of these stories, and I certainly didn’t mean to portray him that way in my illustrations. Seems like he’s doing the best he knows how but that the game is rigged against him. Of course, anyone who would actually carry out a genocide (even if commanded by a god) is far worse than a weasel in my book, but I never thought of Saul as particularly weaselish.

   Anyway, all good stuff. Isn’t Saul getting a headache after all this killing?

Not a headache per se, but he is about to be tormented by an evil spirit that Yahweh sends upon him.

   Time for David to make an appearance.

Working on it right now. :)

-Brendan

   
         
   
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In lugnet.build.ancient, Brendan Powell Smith wrote:
   In lugnet.build.ancient, Bruce Hietbrink wrote:
   Nice honey-on-a-stick solution, but for some reason the croissants look more like a brain on the ground than a bee hive to me.

Any better ideas for a hive? That’s the second time I’ve used the croissants (Samson also came across honey) for lack of a better idea.

A yellow worm screw?

Marc Nelson Jr.

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