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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit more
challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
Nathanael
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
That is really, really good - it has the essence/spirit of the real thing. It
makes me want to break open the 8436 I have and build your model.
Jennifer
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Nathanial Kuipers-
Very nice crane! Did you build it out of one or two sets of 8436?
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
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(snip)
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It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
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Wow! Superb model, and great presentation, your photography technique is very
good. of course the most impressive bit is that you did it all with 8436.
Wouldn’t it be great if LEGO started making fan created alternate model
information more widely available?
One question, are you happy with the turning radius? the pics suggest that maybe
the front wheels don’t turn very far but I might be misinterpreting that.
Spotlighted.
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
Nathanael
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Ughh... you’re killing me here... I just got 8436 for Christmas... I want to
build this... I need instructions... argh... I don’t have your skills... I just
want to recreate yours...
Allow me to vent...
When I was a kid the only frustrating thing about LEGO sets was that I often
couldn’t figure out how to recreate the alternate models on the back of the box.
Maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m just a stinky builder. All I know is that I
wished they would give instructions for them. I was thrilled with Technic and
Model Team sets that had instructions for two models. Designer sets are great
with instructions for three or more (although I wish they were all for “3-brick”
rated advanced models, not that simple stuff). Alas, I still want more. I
guess I’m weird but inspiration isn’t enough for me. I say, “bah, inspiration,
shmin-spiration!” I don’t want inspiration, I want instructions...
(melodramatic music playing)
Oh, Nathanael, how you torture me... I own all the sets you make alternates
for. Yours look like main models. My alternates look like the 4-yr old
submissions to Lego Magazine (no offense to 4-yr olds).
If only I lived in Europe. I’d back-pack my way to your house and offer to
photograph and LDraw-isize your models so you wouldn’t have to. Alas, the
Atlantic Ocean stands in my way... mocking me... “No alternate MOC instructions
for you Paul...”
(back to normal)
Okay, enough silliness. Seriously, another great alternate MOC. What else can
I say? You do great work. It’s amazing how you get working functionality built
in *and* it’s great looking, all while sticking to the 8436 parts. Just
curious, did you have to cut different lengths for the pneumatic hoses or can it
be built with the lengths cut for the main models from the instruction book?
Thanks for sharing (again!). ...and, if you ever find time for instructions...
;->
-Paul
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I’m pretty sure that soon you’ll find a black, unmarked vehicle at your
doorstep, from where two men in suits will emerge to ask you to join the Lego
development group.
Failure to comply will result in a direct assasination, since we all know
Megablocks would kidnap you instead, and tap the vast amounts of your talents
for evil purposes. We can’t have you falling in the wrong hands.
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
Nathanael
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You really have quite a wide range of talent. Not only do you do good sports
cars, but you have done robots, boats, people, trucks- all out of Lego kits.
Maybe now you can start building construction vehicles.
I assume you did not use a winch because the set does not come with one. But it
still looks better than the real thing! You should try to make something out of
the technic excavator now! Too bad it has differing wheel sizes. Why don’t you
try combining those pieces with the 8436 truck? Of course, it costs a lot of
money.
I think if you moved to Denmark or Germany the lego company would hire you. A
Lego representative told me that they require a degree in both engineering and
computer science, but they might make an exception in your case. Is moving a
big problem? If I could get a job at TLC, I would move to Germany.
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
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Oh wow... Great model, and great photography! I’m totally amazed at people who
can build in Technic, and it’s even more impressive that you only used parts
from 8436! Looks like an official model.
Instructions? :)
-Bryan
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how do you do that?
?????????
With pieces from ONE set?
I always run out of pieces or need another one of that piece (etc.).
Yours look like they all belong there.
Lego would have sold a lot more sets if this was the model I think.
Steve
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Hello Nathanael,
You are really an incredible builder! Everything here is outstanding:
functionnality, design, quality of photography...
I’d like to know how much time you spent on this wonder. I guess it would take
me much more time simply trying to rebuild it from your photos!
Congratulations,
Philo
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
> Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
> more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
>
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/industrialdesigner/MOC8436/8436_cranetruck.jpg>
>
> It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
> ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
>
> Once moderated click <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=114736>
> or on the pic for more...
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Nathanael
Wow,
It's the first time I regretted not buying <set:8436>.
The model is obviously better than the original 8436, if you have plans to make
instructions for it PLEASE let us know while this set is still available,
because for me such instructions will be the only reason to buy this set.
Great work!
- David
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"Nathanael Kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Once moderated click • <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=114736
> here> or on the pic for more...
I can only echo what others have wrote - absolutely amazing work! You truly
have a talent and a feel for the brick.
Iain
(This is unrelated, and I don't want to steer this topic away from your
truck - if someone could email me, though, and let me know where this is
from: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=554242 , what it is,
or where I could find more photos, I'd love it.)
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In lugnet.build, Iain Hendry wrote:
> "Nathanael Kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Once moderated click <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=114736
> > here> or on the pic for more...
>
> I can only echo what others have wrote - absolutely amazing work! You truly
> have a talent and a feel for the brick.
>
> Iain
>
> (This is unrelated, and I don't want to steer this topic away from your
> truck - if someone could email me, though, and let me know where this is
> from: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=554242 , what it is,
> or where I could find more photos, I'd love it.)
That was from LEGOWorld, October 2003 in Holland. It was an automated car
assembly line, consisting of RCX controlled work carriers that travelled from
cell to cell across a number of cells. Each cell had a selection of parts that
it added in several operations, then the carriers incremented. The goal was to
get a whole car out the other end with a subsidiary goal being that you could
reconfigure for different cars as long as they were buildable with the parts
assortment at the workstation/cells.
Try searching on BrickShelf using LEGOWORLD 2003 as keywords, or searching here
on LUGNET.
I saw it, and it was pretty darn cool, even if the two fellows working on it
(italians IIRC but I forget) never got it to completely work right in the 5 days
it was up. the potential was there though. It consumed an AMAZING number of
RCXes and of long technic beams.
Hope that helps. I didn't answer via email because others may be able to add
more.
XFUT lugnet.robotics.
++Lar
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In lugnet.build, Vineet Honkan wrote:
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Nathanial Kuipers-
Very nice crane! Did you build it out of one or two sets of 8436?
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It uses only one set to build! That’s the challenge for me ;-)
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Being inspired by the 4100 cranetruck, I decided to build another one a bit
more challenging. So I transformed the 8436 truck into another cranetruck:
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(snip)
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It has many functions like pneumatic boom and stands, rotating cabin and
ofcourse steering. Most of these can be controlled from the back.
Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
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Wow! Superb model, and great presentation, your photography technique is very
good. of course the most impressive bit is that you did it all with 8436.
Wouldn’t it be great if LEGO started making fan created alternate model
information more widely available?
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Good models without good pictures is a real pity. Would be great if LEGO would
support that! :-) If not maybe I should consider publishing a book with many of
my alternate models....
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One question, are you happy with the turning radius? the pics suggest that
maybe the front wheels don’t turn very far but I might be misinterpreting
that.
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The pictures don’t do it justice. The turning radius is actually quite the same
as the original truck.
Thanks!
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Paul S. D’Urbano wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote: • snip
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Once moderated click here or on the pic for more...
Enjoy!
Nathanael
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Ughh... you’re killing me here... I just got 8436 for Christmas... I want to
build this... I need instructions... argh... I don’t have your skills... I
just want to recreate yours...
Allow me to vent...
When I was a kid the only frustrating thing about LEGO sets was that I often
couldn’t figure out how to recreate the alternate models on the back of the
box. Maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m just a stinky builder. All I know is
that I wished they would give instructions for them. I was thrilled with
Technic and Model Team sets that had instructions for two models. Designer
sets are great with instructions for three or more (although I wish they were
all for “3-brick” rated advanced models, not that simple stuff). Alas, I
still want more. I guess I’m weird but inspiration isn’t enough for me. I
say, “bah, inspiration, shmin-spiration!” I don’t want inspiration, I want
instructions...
(melodramatic music playing)
Oh, Nathanael, how you torture me... I own all the sets you make alternates
for. Yours look like main models. My alternates look like the 4-yr old
submissions to Lego Magazine (no offense to 4-yr olds).
If only I lived in Europe. I’d back-pack my way to your house and offer to
photograph and LDraw-isize your models so you wouldn’t have to. Alas, the
Atlantic Ocean stands in my way... mocking me... “No alternate MOC
instructions for you Paul...”
(back to normal)
Okay, enough silliness. Seriously, another great alternate MOC. What else
can I say? You do great work. It’s amazing how you get working
functionality built in *and* it’s great looking, all while sticking to the
8436 parts. Just curious, did you have to cut different lengths for the
pneumatic hoses or can it be built with the lengths cut for the main models
from the instruction book?
Thanks for sharing (again!). ...and, if you ever find time for
instructions... ;->
-Paul
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:-S Are you sure you want me to share more of this??! It seems like it’s not
good for you and I really don’t want to get you upset or something.
Actually I feel a bit ashamed I didn’t help you out more to reconstruct the
models... Maybe it’s because I’m a little afraid that someone else in
general will use it for personal gain as discussed on Lugnet before.
Ofcourse I know you wouldn’t do that, but I don’t think it’s fair either to
help just a few persons....
And like you may have expected I didn’t cut new length for the pneumatic hoses
but used the official ones. ;-)
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Peer Kreuger wrote:
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I’m pretty sure that soon you’ll find a black, unmarked vehicle at your
doorstep, from where two men in suits will emerge to ask you to join the Lego
development group.
Failure to comply will result in a direct assasination, since we all know
Megablocks would kidnap you instead, and tap the vast amounts of your talents
for evil purposes. We can’t have you falling in the wrong hands.
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Well in a way you are correct. I haven’t seen the black unmarked vehicle but do
have received an invitation to cooperate with LEGO as a freelancer for at least
1 project... :-)
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Nathan Bell wrote:
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You really have quite a wide range of talent. Not only do you do good sports
cars, but you have done robots, boats, people, trucks- all out of Lego kits.
Maybe now you can start building construction vehicles.
I assume you did not use a winch because the set does not come with one. But
it still looks better than the real thing! You should try to make something
out of the technic excavator now! Too bad it has differing wheel sizes. Why
don’t you try combining those pieces with the 8436 truck? Of course, it
costs a lot of money.
I think if you moved to Denmark or Germany the lego company would hire you.
A Lego representative told me that they require a degree in both engineering
and computer science, but they might make an exception in your case. Is
moving a big problem? If I could get a job at TLC, I would move to Germany.
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Thanks Nathan!
It’s always good to explore new things. That’s why I try to build new and
inspiring things all the time. It’s also good to get a clue what your
limitations are and I’m still making progression...
I don’t have the excavator. I didn’t buy it because I haven’t seen great
possibilities with it yet. And you are right; it’s quite expensive.
Recently I received an invitation from TLC so let’s wait and see what happens...
;-)
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Steve Krass wrote:
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how do you do that?
?????????
With pieces from ONE set?
I always run out of pieces or need another one of that piece (etc.).
Yours look like they all belong there.
Lego would have sold a lot more sets if this was the model I think.
Steve
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Hey Steve!
How are you doing? Actually I can’t give you a satisfying answer because I don’t
know how I do that. I just do.... :-P
However I’m always convinced that sets do have a nice piece selection with which
you can achieve great things!
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Philippe Hurbain wrote:
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Hello Nathanael,
You are really an incredible builder! Everything here is outstanding:
functionnality, design, quality of photography...
I’d like to know how much time you spent on this wonder. I guess it would
take me much more time simply trying to rebuild it from your photos!
Congratulations,
Philo
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Hi Philo,
Thanks for your kind reply. I do my best.
I’ve spent a week to come to this model and it still has some minor flaws that
might need improvement, but maybe that’s just my thought..
Nate
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In lugnet.build, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.build, Iain Hendry wrote:
> > "Nathanael Kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Once moderated click <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=114736
> > > here> or on the pic for more...
> >
> > I can only echo what others have wrote - absolutely amazing work! You truly
> > have a talent and a feel for the brick.
> >
> > Iain
> >
> > (This is unrelated, and I don't want to steer this topic away from your
> > truck - if someone could email me, though, and let me know where this is
> > from: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=554242 , what it is,
> > or where I could find more photos, I'd love it.)
>
> That was from LEGOWorld, October 2003 in Holland. It was an automated car
> assembly line, consisting of RCX controlled work carriers that travelled from
> cell to cell across a number of cells. Each cell had a selection of parts that
> it added in several operations, then the carriers incremented. The goal was to
> get a whole car out the other end with a subsidiary goal being that you could
> reconfigure for different cars as long as they were buildable with the parts
> assortment at the workstation/cells.
>
> Try searching on BrickShelf using LEGOWORLD 2003 as keywords, or searching here
> on LUGNET.
>
> I saw it, and it was pretty darn cool, even if the two fellows working on it
> (italians IIRC but I forget) never got it to completely work right in the 5 days
> it was up. the potential was there though. It consumed an AMAZING number of
> RCXes and of long technic beams.
>
> Hope that helps. I didn't answer via email because others may be able to add
> more.
>
> XFUT lugnet.robotics.
>
> ++Lar
Yep Larry is right. It was a great piece of arts. It was actually built by two
dutch guys: Martijn Boogaarts and Gerrit Bronsveld. Correct me if I'm wrong but
it used 23 RCXes!!
Unfortunately it didn't work flawless but I think the main reason for that is
the car; it was quite hard to build with the 'factory'. The worst thing is they
asked me to design the car, so actually it's me to blame.... :-P
nate
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I DO hope you are going to accept that invitation? Couldn’t see anything bad
coming from that.
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In lugnet.build, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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Well in a way you are correct. I haven’t seen the black unmarked vehicle but
do have received an invitation to cooperate with LEGO as a freelancer for at
least 1 project... :-)
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VERY cool. GREAT news. Presumably you are under NDA and maybe shouldn’t have
even said that much (smile) but... go you! Congrats and we’ll all be waiting to
see what happens...
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In lugnet.build, Paul S. D’Urbano wrote:
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Thanks for sharing (again!). ...and, if you ever find time for
instructions... ;->
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Cheer up, Paul, he’s done instructions for some of his other models. Perhaps if
you bribed him???
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"Nathanael kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately it didn't work flawless but I think the main reason for that • is
> the car; it was quite hard to build with the 'factory'. The worst thing is • they
> asked me to design the car, so actually it's me to blame.... :-P
(Thanks Larry and Nate for the background on this project!)
You have to undestand how inspirational this is to me. For the past few
years, on-and-off I am working on building a little LEGO duck assembly
carousel. I haven't made much progress - I've played around with
4-posiotion, 6-position rotary dials, flirted with the idea of a pallet
conveyor (difficult) and a few other ideas running around in my head. The
duck only has 3 pieces and I had a hard time with that! I hvae no excuse
not to build something operational after seeing this creation... anything is
possible! :)
It is of espical interest to me becuase of the industry I work in - I will
have to take this in and show it to the other two designers at our company.
We design and build custom automation and robotics for handling of plastic
parts and assembly of the parts, so this is right up our alley!
Iain
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In lugnet.robotics, Iain Hendry wrote:
> "Nathanael kuipers" <kuipers_n@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately it didn't work flawless but I think the main reason for that is
> > the car; it was quite hard to build with the 'factory'. The worst thing is they
> > asked me to design the car, so actually it's me to blame.... :-P
I'm not sure I agree with that. There were, as I recall, some difficult
insertion steps but overall, it seemed buildable. The root problem in my view is
just that the mean time to failure of individual constructed components (given
reliability achievable with LEGO) and the high component count meant that at any
given time, something isn't working. That and the very high number of
component/component interactions that you have to program correctly.
> (Thanks Larry and Nate for the background on this project!)
>
> You have to undestand how inspirational this is to me. For the past few
> years, on-and-off I am working on building a little LEGO duck assembly
> carousel. I haven't made much progress - I've played around with
> 4-posiotion, 6-position rotary dials, flirted with the idea of a pallet
> conveyor (difficult) and a few other ideas running around in my head. The
> duck only has 3 pieces and I had a hard time with that! I hvae no excuse
> not to build something operational after seeing this creation... anything is
> possible! :)
>
> It is of espical interest to me becuase of the industry I work in - I will
> have to take this in and show it to the other two designers at our company.
> We design and build custom automation and robotics for handling of plastic
> parts and assembly of the parts, so this is right up our alley!
What I think is coolest about this project is that there is an RCX on board each
of the carriers and it communicates (via IR) with the workstation that it
arrives at to say what assembly sequences should be executed... in theory it
would be possible for different carriers to carry assembly requests for
different cars!
The carriers were used to reduce dependence on an overall conveyor working
correctly, I think.
(I find this stuff interesting as well because much of my HS summer work and
some of my during college summer work was at Control Engineering, a division of
Jervis B. Webb, which among other products, makes driverless guided vehicles...
since this was the 1970s and early 80s, the onboard control was done with small
scale discrete logic rather than a CPU, but the principles of vehicle/cell
communication are similar)
++Lar
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In lugnet.build, Nathanael Kuipers wrote:
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In lugnet.build, Paul S. D’Urbano wrote:
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In lugnet.announce.moc, Nathanael Kuipers wrote: snip
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Once moderated click
here or on the pic
for more...
Enjoy!
Nathanael
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Ughh... you’re killing me here... I just got 8436 for Christmas... I want to
build this... I need instructions... argh... I don’t have your skills... I
just want to recreate yours...
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:-S Are you sure you want me to share more of this??! It seems like it’s not
good for you and I really don’t want to get you upset or something.
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Aw, you know I’m just kidding. Please, don’t stop! I’m not really upset. I was
just trying to guilt you into making me instructions... :-)
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Actually I feel a bit ashamed I didn’t help you out more to reconstruct the
models... Maybe it’s because I’m a little afraid that someone else in
general will use it for personal gain as discussed on Lugnet before.
Ofcourse I know you wouldn’t do that, but I don’t think it’s fair either
to help just a few persons....
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Okay, maybe I’ve been too pushy about the instructions and the guilt trip.
Please, don’t feel ashamed. My begging for instructions is part out of desire
for them and part a way to show you how much I love your work. While I’d love
to have instructions for this stuff I know how making instructions can be a
drag. Especially when you have new ideas you’d rather be building, which seems
to often be the case for you. You’re quite prolific! If I lived by you in
Holland I really would offer to come over and do the instruction-izing for you
so you can keep working on new ideas. I don’t get many ideas anyway ;-).
About the fear of people copying your stuff, I don’t know what to say.
Unfortunately there really are folks out there who rip stuff off. There are
also lots of folks who would love to have your instructions. I can’t tell you
how to balance the two. I definitely don’t want you to do something you’re not
comfortable with. They’re your “babies” and you have to feel comfortable with
sharing them. I also understand how you feel funny about just helping a few
people. I don’t have a lot of personal experience with this dilemma (since I
don’t build many MOCs) but maybe other folks around LUGNET can share their
thoughts on this one.
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And like you may have expected I didn’t cut new length for the pneumatic
hoses but used the official ones. ;-)
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Yeah, why did I bother asking? Of course you’d use the official lengths! An
alternate model in the purist sense. I would never expect less...
Regards,
Paul
PS: Congrats on the “official offer” you mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Best of luck with that. You deserve it!!!
PPS: You mentioned doing a book elsewhere in this thread. I think that would be
cool, too. If you could get it done while a lot of the sets are still on the
market I wonder if TLC would carry it on their website (like Jin Sato’s
Mindstorms book)...
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In lugnet.build, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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In lugnet.build, Paul S. D’Urbano wrote:
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Thanks for sharing (again!). ...and, if you ever find time for
instructions... ;->
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Cheer up, Paul, he’s done instructions for some of his other models. Perhaps
if you bribed him???
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Yeah, I’m not really sad. I was just trying to bribe him with guilt(1). It’s
cheaper than bribing with money ;->
-Paul
(1) I think I learned this technique from my Italian grandmother...
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